Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Whats the point of a ship which is much more expensive and isnt as good as other specialized ships? Nothing
Even if you could refit it who cares maybe some % of the playerbase,and making the rest of the players these ships useless.

Right now they are only op cause they can tank a lot and blob friendly due to lame rr+very good resists and sigtanking.

oh and make every role viable , who uses tengu for jamming or rail sniping ? nobody

oh and remove rigs or make them removable ---> we can change the systems

ofc not every ship that has the slots and power/cpu to fit it can fit it you ofc need the skills but well... your completly ret*rded idea to make a T3 able to refit in space goes against all the current rules and for good reasons.

there is only one type of ship that has fitting service and that is CAPITAL you see the diffrence between a capital and a T3 cruiser i hope

I want
every subsystem to be useful
no skill loss
in space refitting
no rigs or removable rigs

Indeed but lets start by removing what is out of whack and see what happens:

-fix over sized modules to mach their respective category ship

-get rid of off grid links (eventually transfer those abilities to respective skill trees and then it's up to player to do it or not)

-fix the current completely OP DED shield boosters and balance them correctly with DED ARs

-balance faction DED/officer modules: all advantages and no drawback, this needs to be addressed. better fittings and no specialization skills required is way out of wack, they need either to get a higher cap consumption on activation or huge CPU/PG kicks to match their performances and thus limit fittings

Now, about Tengus: 200K EHP and 700dps at....25km I see no problem here, HAC's will eat them at this distance with as much if not more dps once they go through the balance spot, because yes they need more dps/range, smaller signature and higher mobility (not much more tank)

Notice that without touching a single point of any T3 we're already fixing about 80% of what makes them so powerful and still keep the interest on flying them.

There's only one or two roles where each T3 is good, some 1 more others one less but with my proposed changes this already removes a lot if not most of the points making them excel in various combat situations.

Of course this is not an exhaustive list, there are far more little changes needed but none directly related to the T3 hulls.
If something, with these simple proposals and after changes the other T3 subs would require huge boosts to be able to compete or become interesting with T2 counter parts without being better at their job.

Only because T2 ships aren't balanced yet.

Once those are balanced and without even touching T3's T2 hulls will be a lot better to use and performing.

Only then and after a couple months leaving players play with their new tows we can definitively say if T3's are at some point still out of whack and eventually if they need a total revamp or simple make minor changes.

The perception of T3's "opness" is already biased and often without real experience or objective point of view for several reasons.

This perception WILL change and become moderate as soon as T2 ships are balanced like command ships and HACs, not respectively to T3's but to T1, and only then we will be able to have a better understanding of what needs changes and if eventually they will need changes at all, until then we can only note HAC's and Command ships under perform for many other reasons and T3's argument just comes on last and add gaz to the fire.

you cant refit a single ship in space without a ship that has a fitting service those are ONLY found in capitals that has an reason it falls under support and that is their role. its not so hard to understand the fact that i need to point that out 5 times and you still dont seem to get it and cant do more then say uhhh but i want it makes you look dumber then a bag of rocks plz proof me wrong on that last part

It has already been brought up (by Commander Ted) that it is almost as, if not more, cost effective to have all the T2 counterpart ships of the T3 subsystems. Without the ability to be truly modular there is little point in calling the ship "modular" letting them refit modules and subsystems in space would be a niche role that only a T3 ship could fill.
There should be restrictions, such as:

It takes 1 minute per subsystem to refit.
All modules need to be turned back online.

Special abilities for the T3 for this would be:
A 600m^3 Subsystem and Module Bay must be loaded in a POS or Station.
A 15% reduction in the capacitor needs for putting modules online.

still i vote for a big no

they should be able to refit sub systems on POS or capital fitting service which they cant do now. but it should stop there

NO. You should not have to carry all the stuff you might need in your hold. That's my entire point. The loss of the ship goes up because of it. Fit in space is not a good idea. The people who want this are the solo PVE peeps. It is and shall remain a terrible idea and you should feel terrible.