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Questions About Blueprints from a Lucky Explorer
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Zia Ilmari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-04 02:00:03 UTC
I just jumped right into the new exploration system and have recently come across a Serpentis Medium Blaster Battery blueprint copy. I looked up its price in contracts and it is worth about 100-150M isk. Before I do anything with it, however, I would like to ask a few questions if anyone would be so kind to answer.

1. How exactly does selling blueprint copies work? I know you have to sell them though contracts, but what should I know before diving in.
2. I am tempted to make the blaster batteries myself and sell them, it seems I could make much more profit as they sell for 180M ea and cost only a few million to make. I am a new player (like a couple days new) and what do I need to know about that?
3. What is the difference between licensed runs and max runs? I would love to be able to make 5 instead of 3...
4. Just to make sure, it is impossible to copy a blueprint copy right?

And thank you ahead of time to everyone who chimes in!
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#2 - 2013-07-04 02:06:51 UTC
You can't copy a copy you need an original for that, originals don't exist for faction stuff and that's why they keep their price. Without decent production skills to make use of materials more efficient you will make a loss compared to selling your copy, also your copy has limited runs.


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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-04 02:14:33 UTC
1. You click on the item -> create contract and follow the dialogue boxes.
Just like with market orders, you will have to pay a broker fee and a sales tax (although it's calculated slightly differently).
Buyers can browse all contracts, even in other regions, but to accept it, they must be in the same region.
Also, the item will not magically move, when someone accepts the item, it'll still be in the station where you created the contract.
So it is usually easier to find buyers by transporting the item to a trade hub first, but not always required, especially when your price is good.

2. You will have to check how much profit you can make either way. Usually you'll need Production Efficiency at least at level 4 for it to be worth it to make it yourself, but that varies for each item.

3. Max runs is only important when you have a Blueprint Original and make copies yourself, as you can then chose the amount of licensed runs, from 1 up to the max. If you already have a copy, you can ignore max runs.

4. Yep, you cannot copy a copy.
Zia Ilmari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-07-04 02:39:37 UTC
I just checked and the bill of materials only requires industry 1, 101 isogen, 19 metacycle, and a medium blaster battery, totaling less than 4M for me. I can see from where I am that there are 3 sell orders for them in Dodixie with the cheapest being 180M. EvE Centeral doesn't list the 3 there but does say there are 2 in Amarr with the cheapest being 100M.

Do you think it would sell quickly or is it a nich item no one buyes?

I am also on a trial account and so I cant make contracts unless I pay, so I am leaning toward selling it.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-04 03:12:58 UTC
Hmm, I just checked it out, that item doesn't really need good skills to make.
You'll be wasting 3 Megacyte, but that's just 6k ISK.

However:
Zia Ilmari wrote:
Do you think it would sell quickly or is it a nich item no one buyes?
The later. There are actually 17 on offer in Jita, but eve-central didn't show them because no-one even searches the market for them.

In the last month, a total of 34 of these things have sold in Jita, for prices between 30 millions and 300 millions.
None has been sold in the last two weeks.

There are buy orders for 5 millions ISK each.
Based on the past sales, I'd say that they are worth more than 5 millions, but to find a buyer you might need more luck then when you found the item.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-04 08:36:32 UTC
Make them up. If you are new to Eve it will help you get your head into manufacturing. Also, if you are doing exploration BP drops are not uncommon, and most things you get will be small run, needing only small amounts of materials, and sell well.

I would say that for anybody who is into exploration, a decent manufacturing ability is a needed secondary skill set that can turn you more then just a small profit
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-07-04 08:41:17 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Hmm, I just checked it out, that item doesn't really need good skills to make.
You'll be wasting 3 Megacyte, but that's just 6k ISK.

However:
Zia Ilmari wrote:
Do you think it would sell quickly or is it a nich item no one buyes?
The later. There are actually 17 on offer in Jita, but eve-central didn't show them because no-one even searches the market for them.

In the last month, a total of 34 of these things have sold in Jita, for prices between 30 millions and 300 millions.
None has been sold in the last two weeks.

There are buy orders for 5 millions ISK each.
Based on the past sales, I'd say that they are worth more than 5 millions, but to find a buyer you might need more luck then when you found the item.


Just a suggestion, don't sell them in Jita. Try and identify one of the many chock points leading into low, or even nul sec and sell them there.

Lots of POS go up and die in low sec, so there is a want for easy to get stuff. I sell in one such spot and while the market is a lottle slower then one of the trade hubs I also get a better price because people are willing to pay not to travel 20+ jumps for the same thing but cheaper
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2013-07-04 10:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Medium Blaster Battery are almost useless, but some rube may still buy them. [Always check trade volume as well as price.]

Sorry I don't have better news.


Why almost useless: look at the range 16 km optimal + 26 km falloff, and consider that turret battery range is measured from the control tower, not the turret itself, and that is before optimal reducing high-damage ammo that only does thermal and kinetic damage.

Compare with a cheaper and ordinary Medium AutoCannon Battery with 15 km optimal + 63 km falloff, and it can be loaded with ammo to do all types of damage.

A medium control tower has a 21.22 km force field radius, and a large control tower has a 30 km force field radius. No control tower gives a bonus to hybrid range. The blaster will be deep in falloff at just force field range, missing a lot, and doing low quality hits. A Medium AutoCannon Battery loaded with -50% optimal ammo like Phased Plasma will still have more range and do more damage than a blaster loaded with low damage Lead which doesn't reduce optimal.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-04 17:24:02 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
Just a suggestion, don't sell them in Jita. Try and identify one of the many chock points leading into low, or even nul sec and sell them there.
In general, I would agree.

But for such an extremely low-volume item that it only sells twice a month even in Jita, you might wait an entire year in your chosen choke point and still haven't sold it. Heck, some of those sales in Jita might even have been margin scams.

I am taking Tau's word for it that it's almost useless (not much experience with POS myself), so the problem isn't so much to optimize profit, but to find a buyer in the first place.