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Proof that plex is NOT pay to win...
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grrlet
Leper Outcast Unclean
#1 - 2013-07-04 00:36:23 UTC
I don't think we're allowed to post KMs, so please check out eve kill. The Bhaalgorn in the top left (Most expensive kills).

Noob victim in a veteran pirate ship failing to win against a veteran player in a newbie ship.

PS: Before you point out Concords participation, please note that they only account for 15% of the damage. 15b isk did not prevent fail 2 win noobie from making an uber fail mistake.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-04 00:56:25 UTC
650+DPS ship is not really a noob ship, and the character sit on it is not really 900K SP worth plus, high sec mechanics greatly help this kind of silliness happening.

I'm quite sure that so awesome high sec grieffer veteran runs to null sec doing his favorite pass time will get nothing but shuttles, ibis and other noobships cyno alts, a lazy miner or ratting bot eventually, and I really say eventually.

This is exactly the kind of KM and KB that makes me laugh.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-07-04 01:07:39 UTC
Good god

[Bhaalgorn, Quan HonorTheCall's Bhaalgorn]
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I

'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

[empty rig slot]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2013-07-04 01:11:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Good god

[Bhaalgorn, Quan HonorTheCall's Bhaalgorn]
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I

'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

[empty rig slot]



What has been seen... cannot be unseen.

Seriously, that just hurts to look at. Somebody send the owner of this... thing... to RvB so he can learn how to fit a ship.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-07-04 01:11:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Good god

[Bhaalgorn, Quan HonorTheCall's Bhaalgorn]
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I

'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

[empty rig slot]


I cried when I saw that fit. That Bhaalgorn is at a better place now. Sad
Thar Saal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-04 01:17:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Good god

[Bhaalgorn, Quan HonorTheCall's Bhaalgorn]
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I

'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

[empty rig slot]


Confused whether to shoot at that ship, or chant "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU" will liberally applying holy water
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-04 01:19:35 UTC
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:
That Bhaalgorn is at a better place now. Sad



Indeed Lol

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Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-04 01:21:28 UTC
somebody will be needing more plexes soon
...quick raise the price Blink
Spurty
#9 - 2013-07-04 01:24:16 UTC
Loved the comments on that kill lol

Priceless

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
grrlet
Leper Outcast Unclean
#10 - 2013-07-04 02:53:52 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
650+DPS ship is not really a noob ship.....


The lack of requirements needed to fly a gnosis make it a newbie ship.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2013-07-04 03:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Good god

[Bhaalgorn, Quan HonorTheCall's Bhaalgorn]
F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I

'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Selynne's Modified Dual Heavy Beam Laser,True Sanshas Microwave L
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

[empty rig slot]


I cried when I saw that fit. That Bhaalgorn is at a better place now. Sad

Yeah... the same place that 4 others like it share. The guy has a thing for fail-pimping Bhaalgorns and losing them to dumb situations. What?

How did you Veterans start?
Wyrm Drake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-04 04:42:16 UTC
Regardless. One incident does not disprove anything. PLEX is P2W in the right hands.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#13 - 2013-07-04 04:44:16 UTC
Just wait until his mother sees her credit card bill.

Oh god.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2013-07-04 04:46:08 UTC
Wyrm Drake wrote:
Regardless. One incident does not disprove anything. PLEX is P2W in the right hands.


If you need to add a qualifier to the statement, then it's not P2W at all.

P2W means Pay to Win. He paid, but he couldn't win. Thus it isn't the overwhelming statistical advantage suggested by the very term you are suggesting.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#15 - 2013-07-04 05:27:11 UTC
Thar Saal wrote:


Confused whether to shoot at that ship, or chant "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU" will liberally applying holy water

I would be tempted to apply Damnation to the ship and Absolution to the pod. Pirate












Actually, upon more mature consideration, I'd apply Damnation to the pod as well. Twisted
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-07-04 05:53:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Wyrm Drake wrote:
Regardless. One incident does not disprove anything. PLEX is P2W in the right hands.


If you need to add a qualifier to the statement, then it's not P2W at all.

P2W means Pay to Win. He paid, but he couldn't win. Thus it isn't the overwhelming statistical advantage suggested by the very term you are suggesting.

It might not be P2W, but your reasoning for that doesn't make any sense in this case. What he is trying to say is, that this is anecdotal evidence and therefore doesn't really matter. Doing otherwise would be like saying an OP ship doesn't need any rebalancing, because some idiot fail fitted one and lost it to a battle badger. It's a cherry picked example, that is statistically insignificant and doesn't represent typical cases, so it doesn't prove anything one way or another.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2013-07-04 05:56:50 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Wyrm Drake wrote:
Regardless. One incident does not disprove anything. PLEX is P2W in the right hands.


If you need to add a qualifier to the statement, then it's not P2W at all.

P2W means Pay to Win. He paid, but he couldn't win. Thus it isn't the overwhelming statistical advantage suggested by the very term you are suggesting.

It might not be P2W, but your reasoning for that doesn't make any sense in this case. What he is trying to say is, that this is anecdotal evidence and therefore doesn't really matter. Doing otherwise would be like saying an OP ship doesn't need any rebalancing, because some idiot fail fitted one and lost it to a battle badger. It's a cherry picked example, that is statistically insignificant and doesn't represent typical cases, so it doesn't prove anything one way or another.


I disagree. Pay to Win games, and I have attempted to play many of them over the years, are games in which player skill takes a serious back-burner to payer skill. If you have the Mega Armor of Awesomeness and the other guy does not, then they go poof. If both players do, then and only then does it come down to player skill.

EVE is not like this. All the isk in the world won't allow you bludgeon someone into submission if you suck at this game. That's why it's not Pay to Win. Because if you pay, there's no guarantee at all that you will win. In fact it tends to just make you a better target.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-04 06:01:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Wyrm Drake wrote:
Regardless. One incident does not disprove anything. PLEX is P2W in the right hands.


If you need to add a qualifier to the statement, then it's not P2W at all.

P2W means Pay to Win. He paid, but he couldn't win. Thus it isn't the overwhelming statistical advantage suggested by the very term you are suggesting.

Pay to Win doesnt mean a blind ******** Bonobo (likely this is some sort of BRT experiment) can play EvE well even when paying since only humans should play EvE.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-07-04 06:03:23 UTC
Dont even know why people are crying over such thing (P2W). First world problems I guess.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#20 - 2013-07-04 06:03:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
All the isk in the world won't allow you bludgeon someone into submission if you suck at this game.
It allows you to pay other people to do it for you though.

Oh god.
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