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CCP Games Announces Former EA Executive Sean Decker as Senior Vice President

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Zacoros Tandar
Doomheim
#701 - 2013-07-03 22:49:25 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:


Your sub fee is not worth less it's worth the exact same thing. If any player wants more, then THEY have to spend more...



But when they introduce new ships, or like in Odyssey with these new explorations sites, with new art and mechanics etc.. that is included in my sub. But potentially, if one wants to repaint their ship, or get a tattoo you have to pay extra. Why?

Or will it be that new ships will be in the cash shop too? let me guess though, then there would be outrage.
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#702 - 2013-07-03 22:58:13 UTC
And here I was thinking we'd all learned a lesson from Incarnagate/Greed is Good. Anyone coming from a "leadership" position that is the cesspit of almost everything that's wrong with the modern gaming industry is tainted in my books.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#703 - 2013-07-03 23:09:05 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
"Sure, EVE has managed 10 years of continuous growth with those horrible meany-face veterans, but THIS year is the one where they'll start to be a liability!"


You're CSM: go ask CCP about what reasons people give for not sticking with the game past the trial period. Given the focus of attention recently, I'm guessing that number 1 is going to be "the UI stinks", with "the other players stink" somewhere in the top 5, if not the top 3, reasons that people don't stay.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#704 - 2013-07-03 23:13:14 UTC
doesnt everyone hate EA? Wont be much different for CCP then :)

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#705 - 2013-07-03 23:21:24 UTC
Zacoros Tandar wrote:
But potentially, if one wants to repaint their ship, or get a tattoo you have to pay extra. Why?


Fluff. Just like in WoW with special mounts and pets. Some of the rarer and really nice ones (from invitationals and TCG cards) can't even get them at the Battle.net pet store, have to buy them at eBay for at least $800.

Fluff folks don't mind paying for as it's totally optional and to show off.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
reservent
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#706 - 2013-07-03 23:21:51 UTC
To be honest, all I want to see is an address to the community by CCP, as well as Sean Decker himself. Then I shall place judgement.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#707 - 2013-07-03 23:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
You had several replies telling you what his job is!



Yes, but not what his responsibilities are




According to those replies, his job is to read the forums, find out what people want and tellt he devs to do it



This does not seem at all likely and is also not exactly a real job




Some people without having special credentials or studies, many times quite ordinary looking can in a blink of an eye spot the "thing" or reduce/regroup huge amounts of information in a simple idea. There's no real name or job for this, what other people do with this "idea" it's another thread but what those guys do can save huge amounts of money/life/problems and so on.

Not saying this guy in one of them, by it's known credentials no one on his right mind as gaming costumer would say that, but, companies have little to do or give a crap of customers, those are expandable items or goods.
"Customers" in business language is the synonym of "idiots" you can manipulate at will because makes generations they're being educated to be idiots and act like idiots, the educational systems themselves are turning in to a full industry clearly creating generations and generations of dummies and idiots every day and for decades to come.

This being said, Eve is a game and just like many other games it's all about pixels and nothing more. If the editor doesn't give a crap about his special pixels and cares more about $$$, then why should you bother giving him yours?

Edit: one thing people/dummies/idiots/intelligent etc people need to understand, this is spreadsheets online right?
Well ask EA about spreadsheets and their customers reasons or hate and they will tell you their spreadsheet clearly shows increasing numbers and profits, therefore customers hate and claims are wrong and jsut as like in Eve when we get thrown tools at the face to deal with they can say to those costumers:FU you don't count, my spreadsheet does.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#708 - 2013-07-03 23:42:50 UTC
Zacoros Tandar wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


Your sub fee is not worth less it's worth the exact same thing. If any player wants more, then THEY have to spend more...



But when they introduce new ships, or like in Odyssey with these new explorations sites, with new art and mechanics etc.. that is included in my sub. But potentially, if one wants to repaint their ship, or get a tattoo you have to pay extra. Why?

Or will it be that new ships will be in the cash shop too? let me guess though, then there would be outrage.


Where are your tears about your lack of monocle since it's only available to people who paid extra money for it?
Ionia Leonforte
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#709 - 2013-07-03 23:54:17 UTC
EA cares not for you monocle-less plebs.
Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#710 - 2013-07-03 23:56:24 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Welcome Sean Decker to CCP and the Eve Online world. If you read this thread you will no doubt notice some very strong opinions about your employment history. Take note of this. The player base of Eve is passionate, opinionated and despite our in game efforts to make ourselves look like knuckle dragging reprobates with low sloping foreheads, we are actually generally at the higher end of the gamer skill, intelligence, experience and age. Many of us have long memories of games long past. If you do not take note of the history of Eve Online, if you repeat the mistakes of the past, then watch us do what we the player base did before.

Consider this a welcome, not warm, not cold, but a wake up call to the world you have stepped into.

Best of luck, I think you will need it.


This is so hilarious. We are the elite gamers in the universe. We are the best. Where's your proof that one word of this is true? If I were this guy reading this crap I would hoot. This is certainly who you think you are but it's not who you look like on this thread. This guy has likely dealt with enough ego-inflated gamers to know better than to believe this horse manure.


Did I say elite? No I did not, I said at the upper end of experience, skill, age and knowledge. CCP's own reports on the player base indicate we have an average age of 38, older than the average age of computer gamers. Looking through this thread and others on the various Eve related news and opinion services there are a large number of people with long memories of games long past, we have experienced many games as a player, include the drivel EA has turned many franchises into. Skill and experience, I suppose we could debate about endlessly, however, Eve is a game that eats up newbies with it's legendary learning curve from hell.

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#711 - 2013-07-04 01:55:00 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Miner Hottie wrote:
Welcome Sean Decker to CCP and the Eve Online world. If you read this thread you will no doubt notice some very strong opinions about your employment history. Take note of this. The player base of Eve is passionate, opinionated and despite our in game efforts to make ourselves look like knuckle dragging reprobates with low sloping foreheads, we are actually generally at the higher end of the gamer skill, intelligence, experience and age. Many of us have long memories of games long past. If you do not take note of the history of Eve Online, if you repeat the mistakes of the past, then watch us do what we the player base did before.

Consider this a welcome, not warm, not cold, but a wake up call to the world you have stepped into.

Best of luck, I think you will need it.


This is so hilarious. We are the elite gamers in the universe. We are the best. Where's your proof that one word of this is true? If I were this guy reading this crap I would hoot. This is certainly who you think you are but it's not who you look like on this thread. This guy has likely dealt with enough ego-inflated gamers to know better than to believe this horse manure.


Did I say elite? No I did not, I said at the upper end of experience, skill, age and knowledge. CCP's own reports on the player base indicate we have an average age of 38, older than the average age of computer gamers. Looking through this thread and others on the various Eve related news and opinion services there are a large number of people with long memories of games long past, we have experienced many games as a player, include the drivel EA has turned many franchises into. Skill and experience, I suppose we could debate about endlessly, however, Eve is a game that eats up newbies with it's legendary learning curve from hell.


And where is your proof that Eve players are at the upper end of experience, skill, age, and knowledge? Which, by the way, is one way of defining an elite. Whether you want to own the word or not, you're making a pretty arrogant assumption. Average age of gamers is 30, average age of person who buys a game is 35. Not such a vast age difference. I doubt that skill, experience, or knowledge are any different.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#712 - 2013-07-04 02:08:45 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
PLEX is a bit like buying a store gift card. Use it for a service, give it away or trade it in-game.


Yes. And buying a gift card in-game would be a microtransaction.

EVE's entire economy is built around and most of their revenue already comes from microtransactions. But OUTRAGE and FURIOUS CONDEMNATION nevertheless.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#713 - 2013-07-04 02:14:07 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:


$5 Jump Clones anyone?

Sean Dacker wrote:
"I see the world as a micro-transaction"


Stop being a tard. EA didn't remove content from any games to sell if after as a paid for DLC. All the DLC they sold are added optionnal content not required to play the game. They are nickel and diming the people who are willing to pay for such stuff ant not the whole playerbase like all the complainers are currently making it out to be by making claims that core gameplay emcanics will require you to purchase stuff.

Hate EA for real things, not made up BS.

Basically what you say is "pay to win". Would you like to play a such EvE?
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#714 - 2013-07-04 02:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
reservent wrote:
To be honest, all I want to see is an address to the community by CCP, as well as Sean Decker himself. Then I shall place judgement.


So when CCP releases a statement indicating that there will never be MT in the game and then......there's MT in the game and leaked documents about P2W with golden ammo and $1,000 jeans.....you would expect the truth in any statement you get now?

Remember, CCP is a corporation. It's core value is to have no values and it's word isn't worth sht.

Verunae Caseti wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
PLEX is a bit like buying a store gift card. Use it for a service, give it away or trade it in-game.


Yes. And buying a gift card in-game would be a microtransaction.

EVE's entire economy is built around and most of their revenue already comes from microtransactions. But OUTRAGE and FURIOUS CONDEMNATION nevertheless.


Plex is a different sort of MT. It benefits the purchaser and other players as well as the company. But it does not confer advantage other than allowing more affluent players the ability to reduce or avoid altogether the grind. A F2P player in game can still purchase and compete with the exact same ships, modules, skills, implants, boosters.

What is being condemned is the industry's move to golden ammo for cash which completely circumvents competition so that a game becomes...."I have more money so I win". Well, I think a lot of us here already get this shoved down our throats in RL. Don't really want it in a game we use to escape that.

Don't ban me, bro!
Zircon Dasher
#715 - 2013-07-04 02:23:02 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
It's core value is to have no values and it's word isn't worth sht.


So, in other words, regardless of what it CCP does it is the penultimate EVE player?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#716 - 2013-07-04 02:28:06 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
It's core value is to have no values and it's word isn't worth sht.


So, in other words, regardless of what it CCP does it is the penultimate EVE player?


In so far as it doesn't mind being the only player.

Don't ban me, bro!
Zircon Dasher
#717 - 2013-07-04 02:35:59 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
It's core value is to have no values and it's word isn't worth sht.


So, in other words, regardless of what it CCP does it is the penultimate EVE player?


In so far as it doesn't mind being the only player.



Good catch.Oops

Meant paramount.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#718 - 2013-07-04 03:33:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
This is what I know about EA from BF2142:


Oh, and only 8 years ago? I'm sure all your lessons still apply.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#719 - 2013-07-04 03:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
I'll just leave this here...

CCP Phantom wrote:
That said, please keep your feedback and discussions in this thread polite and reasonable. Personal attacks, insults or other forum rule violations should be avoided, thank you!


You hired someone from EA and thus insulted your entire subscription base. Ban yourself. Pirate

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Zeus Zed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#720 - 2013-07-04 05:08:01 UTC
I have read most of the contents and this is my opinion on the matter.

When you hire somebody like this guy, you do it for a reason. You bring him on board because of his history, his experience, his connections, his skills. This is what any employer pays for. Especially in senior VP positions - this guy is in CCP's C-suite. He knows how to make money for his employer, this is what's he's been doing.

That's all acceptable, but this particular individual has been making money for his employers by screwing their customers, and this is unethical and it shows his character and attitude towards customers, which in my eyes is summarized in two words: "Squeeze them".

In conclusion, what I sense is a change of priorities for CCP, and this is the most alarming of all.