EVE General Discussion

Yeah, I got trashed the other night and went a little too far, maybe, but the issue remains.

EVE is not a game. There is no such thing as a 'game'. What we call 'games' are extensions of reality.

Originally 'games' were used as teaching tools and they still are.

'Video games'. as many people like to refer to them, allow us to learn things in any number of virtual universes. Emphasis on 'LEARN THINGs'

What do I learn from suicide ganking a miner?

Maybe you have a better answer, because I don't think I would learn anything.

No, there is no such thing as games for 'fun' anymore.

If you aren't learning, you're falling behind.

IBTL

I think everyone is well aware of your opinions on the subject.
thanks for the input, now move on.
wtf is the point of debating it further?

And how does chess extend reality?



That any food chain got a beginning and an end.

Yes it is.

Hey let's see if we can make this morality thread as dumb as the other morality thread.

But my reality in no way reflects your reality as everyone's reality is different based on that persons perspective, so by extension your perception of reality is my game?

Edit: Oh yay cake! I like cake!!!

If the cake is a lie, does that make my perception of your reality an extension of the cake?

What do I learn from roleplaying a plumber and jumping on turtles?

The OP achieved that goal all by himself.

EvE is a game. Period. How seriously you choose to take your game is up to you.

Wow! A free example of why mom used to say, "Ignore ignorance!"

It's infantile to believe morality doesn't extend into every aspect of reality if it indeed does exist. The question is: Does morality actually exist? If it does, then disregard of it should lead to some unavoidable, and irrefutable calamity. If it doesn't, then there are people running around contending their purely arbitrary opinion is "morality." That of course infers some sort of obligation.

In order to believe morality exists, one must believe there is a higher law to which humanity is subject. Higher law of course would mean higher than any law legislated by any human(s). That's a circuitous way of referring to a divinity. That would mean morality is the law of divine order.

Of course, the dispute over the existence (or not) of a divinity still persists with the issue unresolved as fact (to put it mildly,) and as such the concept of morality is in dispute as well. This therefore makes the catalyst for obeying moral law inert, which is the social contract (whereby the majority of people agree with each other to accept a condition as fact, such as the existence of and ensuing obligation to morality.)

It may be the more amenable term of art to conduct a debate on player conduct in EVE might be "enlightened self-interest." Whichever term is chosen, you'll still end up with "The way I do it is good for me, even if it's not good for you. The way you do it may be good for you, but if that interferes with what's good for me, YOU must stop...not me."

With that much room for compromise, it's doubtful the greater argument with regard to a divinity or morality has any hope for resolution...for the foreseeable future.

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