EVE General Discussion

This is what I know about EA from BF2142: They allowed cheaters to wantonly parade on their forums bragging about it -- even linking pics of them cheating. Players and the moderators reported them for trolling about it.

Nothing was done.

So the only thing we could do was expose them because EA didn't do anything.

Have you seen any other official game forum allowing that behavior?

Do you know what they do in 2013 with cheaters? Not only parading them on the top scoreboards, they continue to allow them to troll about it, and now the moderators defend them. No longer can you name and shame them, either. 180 turn in 5 years. Impossible stats and the cop out is "they're just better" (knowing full well those stats aren't possible even by pro gamers, impossible to pull the trigger that fast anyway). Punkbuster bans a clan for multihack and they're posting defending it as a badge of honor, with a stray moderator cheering them on...EA doesn't care.

And you're saying they listen because of some Origin improvements?

I love the BF series and DICE are some kewl cats (at least the 2007 crew), but EA no. BF2142 when it was released they didn't even tell the players of the ingame ads ON the box. You didn't find out about it but through a little piece of paper (like you see in fortune cookies) after you opened the box and couldn't return it. There was a huge uproar over it as was distracting. Biggest mod then was the one to remove the ads and replace it with a default EA image (can't mod now either. Anyone using the FXAA graphics injector technically can get a global banned).

Now EA isn't the worst (Sierra games gets that award for allowing a moderator to call players literally pedophiles and not as a joke. Best was EIDOS simply because they had to balls to allow the worst flame-a-thon I ever seen on an official forum over DX2, letting the players air their spleen without mods interfering) but the 25% blame ratio is low. 50% due to their in/actions is more like it.

A few days ago in Australia parliament, a new front bencher was sworn in on the Qu'ran because he is Muslim. As an atheist myself, I have no patience for religion, but I also respect the right of other people to believe and practice whatever religion they want. So far, this new front bencher has committed no crimes nor has he allowed his religion to influence any policy decisions. If he is capable of keeping his personal religion separate from his policies, then the way I see it, he is responsible enough for public service and his personal religion is entirely irrelevant. This doesn't mean there wasn't an uproar, however, and this does not in any way lessen the harm that Islam, or religion in general, has caused throughout history.

Why am I telling this story? It seems incredibly analogous to me. When I was a teenager, I worked part time at a local Gloria Jeans coffee house. I had no idea at the time that they were donating money to the Hillsong Church, but even if I knew, it's likely I would have kept working there, because there wasn't anywhere else to work. This story is also analogous. In fact, these two stories both serve to highlight a couple of important points that I feel everyone needs to consider before jumping to conclusions.

1) working for an evil company does not make one evil (I have no bones about calling EA or Gloria Jeans both evil companies)

2) while it remains possible that one's experience, beliefs, or lifestyle has the potential to affect one's judgement in their business dealings, unless it actually happens, I don't see the problem.

So, I think it would be fair to give Decker the benefit of the doubt with the following clause: we are watching you with great interest and scrutiny. Maybe you'll achieve good things, maybe you'll commit a terrible crime against EVE. If it's the former, then we welcome you with open arms. If it's the latter, then CCP will likely suffer for it in some way when the players respond, in which case, your own job is on the line.

You've walked into the lion's den here, Mr Decker, a den where gamers won't chew the crap that EA spits out. We prefer fresh meat, and fine cuisine. That is, quality over quantity in our gaming. Well... most of us, anyway. That being said, I have a suggestion for Mr. Decker's CCP name.


CCP Daniel, from the bible story, Daniel in the den of lions.

You can change it if we decide not to eat you.

You're equivocating, if it is on purpose or ignorance, I don't yet know.

The 'Micro-Transactions' no one wants, and what the summer of rage was mostly about, would be more precisely termed as 'Golden Ammo'.

PLEX, its core function, being sold on the in-game market and used for subscription time, is a neccisary evil as a way to combat RMT, and in this role it does its job well. It does give some advantage to those who purchase it, but this is offset by, not only the advantage it gives to someone who buys it for ISK, but that it does not take away anything from the sandbox. It in fact added to the sandbox. Someone had to go out and take some risk to earn that ISK, the velocity of ISK is increased, and there are more people running around in Eve. From a core functionality perspective, PLEX adds more to Eve than it takes away.

Golden Ammo on the other hand does not add anything. Instead of someone mining, researching and making something, golden ammo just magicly poofs that item into existance. Now one had to work for it, scam for it, mine for it, haul for it, get ganked for it and whine on the forums for it.

There is only one thing that has a real value in Eve, and that thing is time. Any magicly created items, that do not consume player time to create, are evil and should die in a fire.

You are talking about an elected representative in a democracy, what has that person's religion got to do with anything?

PLEX does not try to stop players buying isk (more accurately trade PLEX in-game for isk), it tries to stop players buying isk from RMTers in part.

I only make it clear that CCP too is nickel and diming players over stuff it saw they wanted. They knew people were ready to fork out IRL money for ISK so they created a system for it. EA created DLC about armors, close quarter battles and otehr such things because they knew people wanted those stuff and would be willing to fork out money for it in BF3. WoW is selling mini pets and mounts for real money because they know people are willing to fork out money for such things. Wargaming is selling gold for various services because they know the users are willing to fork out money for it.

It's all micro transaction even if the exact system is different. The publisher see something the player want and they provide it. CCP killed 2 birds with one stone at the same time so congrats to them but it does not change the fact that it's a micro transaction scheme. Not all micro transaction method are evil per say.

My noobships are not evil.

There would be a real difference if the liquid in isk was more limited. Your IRL money will always be exchangeable for ISK via selling PLEX.Depending on your IRL income, amny people would save time by buying ISK from PLEX instead of grinding in game. Time is money and money is time in EVE.

Noob ships do not require anyone do much of anything except dock in a station in only a pod. Noob ship magic, who cares, all newb ships are magic. Shuttles? Shuttles would be bad.

See the difference?

Well, you guys have been crying for years, to get better sound to eve, sound is something EA is good at, so..... perhaps.....