EVE General Discussion

I actually tried to watch that video and it's pretty clear that those ludicrously obnoxious clicks are a greater crime than anything done to the freighter pilot.

Reread your posts. You inferred it. If you want to be obtuse, then you're going to have to excuse my assumptions.



I agree. I also agree that pirates shouldn't be able to use a mechanic to the advantage of not being able to accomplish that same goal. It taking 1 hour
+ (edit- sorry I typed 2) to kill a freighter in highsec is not the same as killing a capital in null. The sandbox, mechanic, meta game etc are all very different as it is a very different circumstance. Hence why there should be diminishing returns on such a thing.




And I'm saying it's broken because it was used as a griefing tool and a crutch to accomplish something that wasn't able to with what should be an "acceptable" amount of time to be able to. Do not forget, this is an opinion thread. Whether you agree with mine or I do not agree with your's... it's a ****** situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Be it prudent planning or better execution. But an hour to kill something in highsec is ******* ********.




I don't understand how you are speaking for baltec. I answered his question with an answer and a question of my own.

Untrue on all counts.

1, you did infer it. Stop saying you didnt when you did. I'm not making up the victim is an aggressor. The timer is right there. Again, a ship has no way to aggress, therefore it CANNOT cause an aggression timer. It is simply a victim, and because it became a victim, it cannot log off. You said this is for capitals so they could not escape a fight. Freighters don't fight. She did NOT deserve the unwanted attentions of the male aggressor for wearing a short skirt. Stop implying she does (in this case).

2, I do agree that if it should die, it should. Again, you started that, I agreed. Stop inventing things I never said. I never said I do not agree. They didn't call in support, they didn't plan it all, they used alts to keep a timer alive that shouldn't be there in the first place. Pirates do not try to find fights. They find victims. Yet you try to ignore this fact. Piracy and freighting both, unless in a really rare circumstance (I don't think this qualifies) involve victimization. Not consensual pvp. Pisspoor performance on the gankers part. They even hid off the GCC (another mechanic sandboxed?) as to not lose their precious tools.

3, Pirates should not arbitrarily abuse a mechanic if they can't do the job. That mechanic should allow them the attempt, but not do the work for them. A logoff timer allows aggression to commence sure... but at what point does it become excessive and abusive? You said days. DAYS.

It did not take the victim over an hour to be caught. It took over an hour, of the freighter pilot flopping helplessly until he was blown up.

Nothing of that shows skill or using a ship to its fullest extent or ability. It only shows the abuse of a mechanic to make it to where the freighter pilot, on his own (yes solo) was not able to do anything to escape.

Stop trying to make it out to be where he shouldn't have died. Noone is saying that! It shouldn't also take over an hour to get the job done.

That is in excess, no matter how you slice it.

It, was, **** poor, performance. On both sides. Many things could have been done to prevent such a thing. But it wasn't. Both sides screwed up.

Don't be a tool.

I think a combination of elements involved prove that the system is not working as intended. This was not a case of showing why the timers are in place, but a good show as to how you can exploit them.

Of course, a caveat would be that if the entire job was done with just noobships, that would be different. But that's not the case.

So you still can't think of anything that actually disproves any of what I said, then.
Goodie. I accept your surrender to facts once again.

You don't have to aggress the bumper to make them fail. In fact, any of their tactics can be used against them: bump the bumpers; keep calling CONCORD to the scene so they have to move the bumpee another 150km out of the way, gank the gankers (many of them will be legitimate targets in one way or another); or just provide the victim with a good out. If you can web-sling him, that's one way. If you can provide a warp-in in-line with where they're bumping him, that's another.

All their strategies are made specifically to work within the confines of highsec. Steal them and make them your own.

Awww how cute.

And irrelevant.

Again, don't be a tool.

You're just parroting nonsense now.

That is exactly what I thought about someone boasting about how 'heartless' they are randomly, so I couldn't resist.

Oh! My apologies. You meant to quote the other person then, not me. I wasn't the one who was boasting it (even mentioned it wasn't the point and should be taken for a separate conversation) nor was my reply random.

I should have just responded that you quoted the wrong person instead of just saying "...irrelevant".

Again, apologies for jumping the gun, I should have given you time to fix your post, my bad.