Ships & Modules

This, T2 Sentries are not cheap and a well placed bomber squad can pretty much wipe the field of all your dps instantly.

People being obtuse aside, the fact that a couple counters of various degree make the point (largely) moot.

Who cares if the grunts are there to push F1 or the FC can do it for them? Who cares if that then allows for multi box fleets?

If the complaint is that the fleet style is boring and minimally interactive, then the op needs to go join fw as all major fleets tend to be boring.

If the complaint is that there are too many ships per player, then it becomes the usual troll about "suck it up princess"

The only point (in my opinion) with some room for debate is the one about perfect alpha. And really it isn't that much different than the mumble order to primary by any other fleet is it? But as others pointed out your logi either catches the damage or not.

This.

->Bomber runs

->Suicide SM BS (not a good choice but sometimes is good enough)

->Doom Portal

Many others are possible and cooking untill someone start using them, succeeding and make them cry, just like the pretended so awesome stupid 200K EHP 700dps Tengus at....25km (with top skills and rage)-now those are not being replaced while just by reducing slightly the amount or EHP the same ship could do 600dps at over 55km...well 250dps caracals are better indeed.

Not a new tactic, it's rather a very old one and has its counters

I have a problem with people being able to shoot me from 75-100k out... it's just not fair! They should go toe-to-toe with me, damn it!!

Is that good game design?!?!?!? I say NO! Nerf everything that can shoot me from more than 500m out!!

Oh, I think most get the "point", but they are only not paying any attention to it. And why would we? It is the same "point" we get to see all the time, made by a few mental kids who want to tell others how to play the game so they can have fun, because otherwise their brain implodes.

It starts with imagining how the ship they are shooting is a person and that they are shooting the person. Then they make rules what that person may and may not use and whine about how this or that becomes unfair to them based on their mental associations.

So others now must sit inside a ship and must not use sentries, because they would have to shoot sentries in order to win, when really they want to shoot the person, and so how can they shoot the person?!

Naturally, and because of the way their brains are build, will these implode on facing such a dilemma. So they go complaining on the Internet, hoping someone will fix their dilemma and also bring them cookies and milk.

If you are looking pretty sharp at the monitor right now, know there will not be any cookies or milk.

Most of the time do we not pay attention to it at all and all these "points" and whines zip through the Internet, flashing before our eyes, without ever reaching the soul.

You'll perhaps be pleased to know that the CSM discussed this exact topic with CCP today.

Not easily. Most of the sentry fleets will starburst and drop. They're actually quite robust around bombers.

Their really big weakness is intel and mobility. If you know who has control then they are easily taken off the field (if not you should run anyway) at which point you have a 15-20 second window where the enemy fleet isn't shooting at all while they get reorganized. If you also know who their secondary FC is then you really only have to kill 2 or 3 people in their fleet to throw the whole doctrine into chaos. Even though a lot of people CAN FC a fleet if they want to they won't step up in a fleet where the FC, the secondary and the tertiary callers have all been taken down early.... Few people suddenly grow a pair when that's happening.

The other weakness is mobility. They're vulnerable for hit and run tactics becasue they can't follow. In that sense bombers do make sense. Even if they aren't the answer to sentries if the fleet is properly run, they are good hit and run weapons. Alpha snipers also do well as do any sniper ships that can kite out of the 100km range. Basically sentry doctrine is akin to trench warfare so as long as you don't join thyem in the trenches you can work around it.

Thanks for the feedback Malcanis. I'm glad I’m not the only one that thinks drone assistance mechanic deserves some attention.

At this point I myself am not sure what change, if any, should be made but I definitely think this mechanic deserves some open debate, so I started this thread. Sadly most of the responses were either trolling or misguided mockery.

Actually Mynnna raised the topic.

Ever head of NDA?