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Eve consumes wrong disk space

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CCP Aporia
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2013-07-03 16:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Aporia
Thorian Crystal wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
i kindly suggest you just return your comp to the place you bought it too, and ask for a refund since you seems to dumb to actually use it


Really? I mean, if I install the program to D because C has not enough room, I should not be running out of space from C. Blame me as much as you want, but this is the fact.
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With all due respect, but the operating system decides where to store dynamic or temporary files, and - by default - windows does so in your user profile folder, which - again by default - is the drive you installed windows on. EVE is simply adhering to operating system standards, so if you want your operating system to do things differently, then please configure it differently.

That being said, I do agree on your point of view that it is not necessarily a nice practice to keep backups of old versions around in the application data folder. This is something we are looking into, though not with the highest priority since so far the advantages of this behaviour outweigh the disadvantages.

Thorian Crystal wrote:

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If I should need 4Gb or more of free space in C, too, then the install-button should be greyed out even when I choose D and show how much of specifically C-space is needed! So not only the installer consumes wrong disk space, it doesn't even provide enough information to the user.
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Thanks for pointing this out, at least I was not aware of this behaviour, and will file a defect about this.

Friend of walking avatars, currently hibernating until he gets to open that door.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#42 - 2013-07-03 22:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
You may want to invest in a bigger drive.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#43 - 2013-07-04 18:57:26 UTC
OP, you are about the most ridiculous user I have ever encountered. You make me long for the days when we cleverly hid the power switch on the back of the case where people who didn't know how to use them could not even turn them on.

It's not a question of being right or wrong about where files should go. You are being told how the system you have purchased operates. This is a factual statement, not open to interpretation or review on if it is how you would do it or want it done if you were the one developing it. I suggest the better part of a decade in a university gaining the skills to program your own OS and a job search in the appropriate industry if you feel that strongly about how the OS should operate rather than learning how the one you already have operates.

Your "I am correct" arguments are just pure obstinacy in the face of reality differing from your opinion. It works as it works. How it works is under your control, but you have failed to use those controls properly, and continue to fail by insisting, like a small child who does not want to eat their vegetables, that you should not have to use those controls because you don't want to.

Your argument is similar to saying the car should go when you press the gas pedal. Never mind any adjustments that may need to be done to take the car out of park, releasing the parking break, and insuring the wheel is turned in the direction you wish to travel... It should just 'go' as you intend, without further input from you on your intentions.

Software engineers are not telepathic, and mass produced OS like windows have limits to how flexible they can be within the competing priorities of security and customization. Learn how your computer operates, and then operate it in any manner you choose... but don't complain that the computer is not operating how you want when you haven't bothered to learn how to control it properly in the first place.
Seneram
Old Lazy Ballz
#44 - 2013-07-05 11:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Seneram
Thorian Crystal wrote:
Shpenat wrote:
In short. EvE puts its files exactly where it is supposed to.


Wrong. Horribly wrong. The correct place to put files is where I, the owner of this machine, say where the files will go.




WRONG, The game stores its dynamic user files in the appdata folder as per microsofts guidelines. If you can understand this part which everyone already told you then you are probably not smart enough for eve anyway.

Now if you want to change this you can work arround it with ways such as moving your home directory to the disk you want the appdata in. Nothing will change for you on the end user perspective and it will no longer take up space on C:

Google the above approach and DEWIT.

Regards, Seneram - B4LLZ CEO
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-07-08 16:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
Messoroz wrote:
You may want to invest in a bigger drive.


You may want to not give me advice I don't need.

CCP Aporia wrote:
... That being said, I do agree on your point of view that it is not necessarily a nice practice to keep backups of old versions around in the application data folder. This is something we are looking into, though not with the highest priority since so far the advantages of this behaviour outweigh the disadvantages.

Thanks for pointing this out, at least I was not aware of this behaviour, and will file a defect about this.


HA! See you all?! I was right. Even CCP admits that

1) There was something to IMPROVE in their product!

2) There was a DEFECT in their product!

???

Profit! I was right all the time.

Mike Voidstar wrote:
... you are about the most ridiculous user I have ever encountered. ... You are being told how the system you have purchased operates. Your "I am correct" arguments are just pure obstinacy in the face of reality differing from your opinion. It works as it works.


I have stated my mind, and the REALITY is bending to my will. That is magic.

I really don't care how the computer works at the moment. It should work how I want it to work. Which is pretty well.

Mike Voidstar wrote:
Your argument is similar to saying the car should go when you press the gas pedal. Never mind any adjustments that may need to be done to take the car out of park, releasing the parking break, and insuring the wheel is turned in the direction you wish to travel... It should just 'go' as you intend, without further input from you on your intentions.


No, I want to drive the car by myself. But needless to say, I drive a car with automatic transmission and cruise control.

"Software engineers are not telepathic, and mass produced OS like windows have limits to how flexible they can be within the competing priorities of security and customization. Learn how your computer operates, and then operate it in any manner you choose... but don't complain that the computer is not operating how you want when you haven't bothered to learn how to control it properly in the first place."

Computers will evolve.

Also, if I download the files manually, then why do I get them to go into D? Shouldn't they be dynamic also in that case and go to C like the Eve installer does? And if not, then why doesn't the installer put the files into the location I want? I mean, also a browser is a program, and it succeeds putting the downloaded files to D waiting for installation. Eve installer is a program that fails where a browser succeeds. So clearly there is something wrong with the installer. And as CCP stated, their product has a defect. Filed and all.

"WRONG, The game stores its dynamic user files in the appdata folder as per microsofts guidelines. If you can understand this part which everyone already told you then you are probably not smart enough for eve anyway. ..."

You don't have to remind me that computers fail. I know it already.
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