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Stealth Strategic Cruisers

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Chaosstar choasstar
MnM Delivery
#1 - 2013-07-01 21:44:34 UTC
When you use the covert cloak on a Strategic Cruiser does it have the re-calibration timer for targeting someone? I'm looking at putting together a Proteus Stealth build, and I'm wondering if it is even worth putting together a stealth build.Question

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Whitehound
#2 - 2013-07-01 22:06:50 UTC
Yes, 5secs.

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Yuan Taizu
#3 - 2013-07-01 22:08:57 UTC
Just de-cloak, mwd and bump the fk out of them. You'll have them pointed by the time they even have a chance to align.
Chaosstar choasstar
MnM Delivery
#4 - 2013-07-01 22:10:57 UTC
You know a 5 sec re-cal really isn't that bad in comparison Shocked

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Whitehound
#5 - 2013-07-01 22:16:47 UTC
Chaosstar choasstar wrote:
You know a 5 sec re-cal really isn't that bad in comparison Shocked

This seems to be per level of the subsystem (10s to 5s), but a single Medium Targeting Systems Stabilizer II drops the 5s to 4.25s. If you need it badly then you can get it with three such rigs to 3.07s.

Just fit a Proteus in PYFA and check the stats there. It will tell you in the module's info how long it takes.

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Chaosstar choasstar
MnM Delivery
#6 - 2013-07-01 22:19:47 UTC
I figured it's time to get into bigger and better ships :)

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Chessur
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#7 - 2013-07-02 20:24:18 UTC
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
#8 - 2013-07-02 20:26:56 UTC
Chessur wrote:
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?

Wormhole space.

No local + cloak = the other guy doesn't know you're there until you decloak on top of him. No cloak = guy warps out before you land on grid.
Chaosstar choasstar
MnM Delivery
#9 - 2013-07-02 20:30:34 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Chessur wrote:
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?

Wormhole space.

No local + cloak = the other guy doesn't know you're there until you decloak on top of him. No cloak = guy warps out before you land on grid.


^^ Right on point

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Chessur
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#10 - 2013-07-03 03:40:40 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Chessur wrote:
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?

Wormhole space.

No local + cloak = the other guy doesn't know you're there until you decloak on top of him. No cloak = guy warps out before you land on grid.


Yah... Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them. And people will see you. So your cloak is useless then. All they have to do is add you to a watch list- and then they can also determine if you are online or offline. Local is really not that great.

However in the turn of events that you are not spotted- why don't you just get a probing alt? I know this may come as a shock, but getting a covops ship is really cheap, and a much better idea- instead of trying to fly around in a ship that is expensive, has no tank, and has horrible DPS.
Ariel Dawn
Cambridge Mountain Rescue
#11 - 2013-07-03 04:41:52 UTC
Chessur wrote:
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?


You can roam around in 0.0 "safe" bearspace areas and pop multi-billion ISK tengus pretty easily.

Also uncloak while in warp to land on your target ready to go.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#12 - 2013-07-03 12:30:08 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Yah... Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them. And people will see you. So your cloak is useless then. All they have to do is add you to a watch list- and then they can also determine if you are online or offline. Local is really not that great.

However in the turn of events that you are not spotted- why don't you just get a probing alt? I know this may come as a shock, but getting a covops ship is really cheap, and a much better idea- instead of trying to fly around in a ship that is expensive, has no tank, and has horrible DPS.


Because covops have no tank and horrible DPS. It's no use tackling something if it immediately kills your covops.
Chessur
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#13 - 2013-07-03 13:09:52 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Yah... Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them. And people will see you. So your cloak is useless then. All they have to do is add you to a watch list- and then they can also determine if you are online or offline. Local is really not that great.

However in the turn of events that you are not spotted- why don't you just get a probing alt? I know this may come as a shock, but getting a covops ship is really cheap, and a much better idea- instead of trying to fly around in a ship that is expensive, has no tank, and has horrible DPS.


Because covops have no tank and horrible DPS. It's no use tackling something if it immediately kills your covops.


Do you not understand the concept of a probing alt? Its not your main- its your alt.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-07-03 13:25:27 UTC
A stealthy T3 will remove the awe-ispiring tank and/or gank that usually comes with a T3. While it will often outclass most other stealthy ships, it will also (like most other stealthy ships) be quickly melted by many non-stealthy pilots. Unless you have a very specific need for a stealthy T3, save your pennies and buy something else like a recon cruiser.
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
Wrong Hole.
#15 - 2013-07-03 15:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nash MacAllister
Chessur wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Chessur wrote:
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?

Wormhole space.

No local + cloak = the other guy doesn't know you're there until you decloak on top of him. No cloak = guy warps out before you land on grid.


Yah... Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them. And people will see you. So your cloak is useless then. All they have to do is add you to a watch list- and then they can also determine if you are online or offline. Local is really not that great.

However in the turn of events that you are not spotted- why don't you just get a probing alt? I know this may come as a shock, but getting a covops ship is really cheap, and a much better idea- instead of trying to fly around in a ship that is expensive, has no tank, and has horrible DPS.


Don't give wh dwellers so much credit. Based on personal experience in our corp, I would estimate that 7 out of 10 times cloaky T3's are able to get in-system, on-grid with the target(s), and whelp them because *most* people panic when a T3 decloaks and starts shooting your pretty ship. Better than half the time, you can get multiple cloaky T3's on-grid... Hero tackle covops have a place for sure, but I would much rather have a T3 for sheer dps and tank. And don't forget, you often have one or more sleepers applying dps and/or neuts on the target for you as well. Big smile

Now, a toe to toe brawl with another fleet? Yeah, leave the cloaky T3's at home, except the guy who will be scanning your pods and remnants of your 'sploded fleet back home, keep him cloaked... Lol

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#16 - 2013-07-03 15:16:59 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Yah... Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them. And people will see you. So your cloak is useless then. All they have to do is add you to a watch list- and then they can also determine if you are online or offline. Local is really not that great.

However in the turn of events that you are not spotted- why don't you just get a probing alt? I know this may come as a shock, but getting a covops ship is really cheap, and a much better idea- instead of trying to fly around in a ship that is expensive, has no tank, and has horrible DPS.


Because covops have no tank and horrible DPS. It's no use tackling something if it immediately kills your covops.


Do you not understand the concept of a probing alt? Its not your main- its your alt.


Please explain how its nature as an alt stops a covops being casually exploded by the target it's supposed to be tackling, or simply by the Sleepers.
Ginger Barbarella
#17 - 2013-07-03 16:11:13 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them.


OK, serious question here: who the **** spends game time they're paying for to sit at the entrance to a wormhole and WAIT for someone to come in? If you're in a corp or alliance that insists you do this, you should be getting paid real world money to do this. Seriously. Want me to do it? Wire a non-refundable retainer to my PayPal account for $1000 US$ based on $100/hour, one hour minimum, billed in whole hour increments.

I've had dental work that wasn't as painful as wormhole watching (or gatecamping) is...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-03 16:21:54 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Yah... Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them. And people will see you. So your cloak is useless then. All they have to do is add you to a watch list- and then they can also determine if you are online or offline. Local is really not that great.

However in the turn of events that you are not spotted- why don't you just get a probing alt? I know this may come as a shock, but getting a covops ship is really cheap, and a much better idea- instead of trying to fly around in a ship that is expensive, has no tank, and has horrible DPS.


Because covops have no tank and horrible DPS. It's no use tackling something if it immediately kills your covops.


Do you not understand the concept of a probing alt? Its not your main- its your alt.


Please explain how its nature as an alt stops a covops being casually exploded by the target it's supposed to be tackling, or simply by the Sleepers.


The probing alt isn't there to land tackle or engage with hostiles; the probing alt's only job is to locate stuff for the main pilot to mix it up with. Except when it's transiting systems, or in the process of dropping probes, the probing alt is best advised to keep its cloak on and make like a hole in the void.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-07-03 16:24:10 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Thing is, most of the worm hole exits have cloaky eyes on them.


OK, serious question here: who the **** spends game time they're paying for to sit at the entrance to a wormhole and WAIT for someone to come in? If you're in a corp or alliance that insists you do this, you should be getting paid real world money to do this. Seriously. Want me to do it? Wire a non-refundable retainer to my PayPal account for $1000 US$ based on $100/hour, one hour minimum, billed in whole hour increments.

I've had dental work that wasn't as painful as wormhole watching (or gatecamping) is...


If someone's dual-boxing, they might well have a second account with a covops pilot in a second screen while they're doing stuff with their main. I've done that on occasion.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

seth Hendar
I love you miners
#20 - 2013-07-03 16:29:22 UTC
Chessur wrote:
As some advice- don't fly a stealth T3. Proteus can kind of do it... barely. Honestly they are really not worth it. So many other ships can get the job done better, have a larger target selection, and are cheaper. Tech threes are kind of in a bad place for solo / small gang. Most ships can do their jobs better for cheaper. Why do you need a cloak so badly anyway?

i would tend to desagree with you.

cloacky strat are great, pricey, yes, but really great, provided you fit and use them for specific purpose.

a duo with a loki and a prot, with the right fits, can take a lot of things, with loki able to go up to 200k ehp and prot around 500 dps. and you have both point and web range bonus => priceless

yes, you can do almost as good with other ships, but you will never be THAT good.

but played well, you can achieve awesome with those


and you won't do better for cheaper, if you go recon, you will do better on ewar side, no question on this, but your tank and dps will not be close, and you will not fly the same way, meaning not the same purpose.

my opinion might be biased tho, since i have many ships, and i try to always take the right tool, and often, the right one is a cloacky T3, but sometime it's not, then i revert to a arazu / rapier etc....

after all, it's like all ships in eve, pro and cons, and since you are cloacky, it is up to you to dictate the fight, starting by: shall i engage this


after that, if you need it for pve purpose, then find something else, you can find cheaper that will perform better, i not in WH / null, a cruiser with a mwd + cloack will probably serve better, like some pirate or hics (gila / ishtar do very well in pve)
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