EVE General Discussion

Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"

Biggest problem at least with the earlier expansions (don't know anything about Pandas) is that they produced the expansions as bolt on modules to the existing game rather than taking time to integrate the expansion properly into the existing game.

The most telling sign of this was the fact that top end existing equipment became redundant when you progressed into the new expansion material. Top end epics dropped in the original game was akin to low end items dropped at the start of the expansion material.

How do you offset the blobs?

By getting real humans into the game.



Now learn what is successful and what is not , and not be another clueless dinosaur ready for extinction.

Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"

You talk about blobs like they're all alts of 1 person.

So yet again you seem to misunderstand.

Heh. Speaking of wowfags.

A RL friend and I had this stupid and drunk discussion back in 2006-2007 about how hardcore WoW was. I thought; how can a game even be a challenge when you have bloody ADDONS(!) telling you what to do? Needless to say, he disagreed and had all kinds of amusing arguments.

I said bollocks and made him a simple bet: complete the tutorial in EVE and if he complete the tutorial, I'd pay his one year WoW subscription.

But after a half hour, he gave up because his biggest complaint was that there was no quest helpers, no map coordinates, nothing because who bothers reading?