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CCP Games Announces Former EA Executive Sean Decker as Senior Vice President

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#481 - 2013-07-03 08:17:08 UTC
coolzero wrote:
it works for some games...it may get you money at first for eve but not before loosing a large chunk of veteran eve players(those who also have a lot of accounts), me included.


Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#482 - 2013-07-03 08:23:11 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
If there was an F2P game with the same amount of customers as WoW the F2P model is likely to out perform the subscription model.


No.

If you brought F2P to WoW, it's dead (because all the games that tried to beat WoW are F2P now...SWTOR and RIFT included). Only GW2 doesn't, as it operates on buying the box and selling cosmetics, like FPS games.

In WoW think, F2P = failed game.




GW2 also sells gems, their version of PLEX except there's no subscriptions to use them on but you can still sell them on the player market for gold.

All the failed games that went to F2P that I've played still had a subscription method and the F2P part was limited. At least the last time I checked.


And GW2 is but a blip on WoW's radar.

Any game (and this will be EvE included) if they compete with WoW, Blizzard will implement it's best features into WoW. They did it with GW2 with the red knockout on the bars. They did it with RIFT and AoE looting (and now the loot system...terrific!!!). So returning players will get the same benefits they enjoyed in those games, now in WoW.

Blizzard keeps players continuely in the store. Stocking the shelves of every content that is deemed worthy.

They do all this because they have so much cash, they can and support 2 other IPs with it too.

CCP can barely support EvE and it's their main title. They need more players.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#483 - 2013-07-03 08:29:57 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


And GW2 is but a blip on WoW's radar.

Any game (and this will be EvE included) if they compete with WoW, Blizzard will implement it's best features into WoW. They did it with GW2 with the red knockout on the bars. They did it with RIFT and AoE looting (and now the loot system...terrific!!!). So returning players will get the same benefits they enjoyed in those games, now in WoW.

Blizzard keeps players continuely in the store. Stocking the shelves of every content that is deemed worthy.

They do all this because they have so much cash, they can and support 2 other IPs with it too.

CCP can barely support EvE and it's their main title. They need more players.





GW2 is a pile of crap but then so is WoW these days.

Even Skyrim was crap compared to what it should have been.


I think CCP are better off than you think, if their funds are low it's because of Dust and WoD not EVE.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#484 - 2013-07-03 08:32:12 UTC
Jita will need more statues to shoot at

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#485 - 2013-07-03 08:34:46 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I'm pretty sure telling you would cause me to incur a forum ban.


Indeed and I'm quite sure it would be for a good reason.

I just don't get the need to bring this utterly useless kind of comment to this discussion and it's plain stupid.

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Peter Tjordenskiold
#486 - 2013-07-03 08:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Tjordenskiold
Ace Uoweme wrote:

EvE suffers two fold. It remains a niche game, which hampers it's ability to pay for itself; and it's a warren full of players who multibox and don't want to pay for it. You don't hear of Blizzard micromanaging the costs, because they don't need too. Even if 3 million players leave tomorrow, they still have enough to keep production rolling.


You are writing totally wrong stuff. CCP isn't suffering from EVE, it gives good profits to the company and DUST development was paid with EVE. Exchanging the customer base customer base may could give more profit. The new VP is primary responsible for DUST, because DUST is looking like to become a niche game too.
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#487 - 2013-07-03 08:42:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
coolzero wrote:
it works for some games...it may get you money at first for eve but not before loosing a large chunk of veteran eve players(those who also have a lot of accounts), me included.


Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"



well its not like CCP had to deal with this before...first time they hinted microtransaction/f2p/gold ammo/greed is good look what it did to their sub numbers( well ill guess we dont know what the sub numbers where down to but since they reverted their greed is good statment it must have been enough to make them scared.)

EVE isnt the game the usual f2p/microtrransaction/gold ammo player plays they are usualy req you a few buttons to learn, the player that unsubbed back then where not replaced by F2P gamers and CCP had to back down on their greed is good plans.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#488 - 2013-07-03 08:43:43 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
GW2 is a pile of crap but then so is WoW these days.

Even Skyrim was crap compared to what it should have been.


I think CCP are better off than you think, if their funds are low it's because of Dust and WoD not EVE.


I'm not going to disagree. Best video now for me about WoW is this.

But as much as millions disagree with Blizzard's direction, they're still making millions of dollars solely on subs every month.

I would love to get a merry band of paladins to march into Blizzard HQ and kick Ghostcrawler out of his Ivory Tower (like Aeralik got kicked from EQII), but after what that Warlock dev said about Blizzard HQ, the culture there adores him and he's protected. He came to be what he is when WotLK was released (2008) and it's been downhill since.

3.3.5 to me was the last best thing Blizzard produced. Upto 14 million players proved it. Most players of all time in WoW and the most fun time with... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX13vYvon6I

No, the financial problems in EvE were there the moment PLEX came on the market. If things are working well, you don't need the other pay schemes. As much as the F2P industry wants WoW to embrace it, they're not, because a consistent payroll is better than buying on over extended credit cards (which Blizzard understands in how they started).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#489 - 2013-07-03 08:44:05 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
coolzero wrote:
it works for some games...it may get you money at first for eve but not before loosing a large chunk of veteran eve players(those who also have a lot of accounts), me included.


Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"



Then EVE would no longer be EVE and just another WoW clone in space and just as much a pile of crap that WoW and other WoW clones are now.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#490 - 2013-07-03 08:54:02 UTC
Eve is growing and Wow is dying.

The mindless sheeple will never embrace EvE.

Free to play would ruin the game and cause everyone (that matters) to quit.

The community is what drives this game, and the second they give up on this game... it dies.

Don't **** off the community.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#491 - 2013-07-03 08:58:59 UTC
So the threadnaught continues.

After all is said and done and after reviewing my own comments, I look forward to reading/seeing an announcement about this gentleman. I doubt Mssrs Hilmar would allow EVE to die, not after Incarnagate.
Echoes of "greed is good" remain echoes, lesson learnt.

We can continue to speculate, at the end of the day we just have to wait and see.
Considering CCP's success with EVE, I now have a more positive attitude for the future.
It's no longer another decade I look forward to, I look forward to EVE until either I am dust, or EVE becomes a footnote in the annals of gaming history.

Long live EVE ! Long live CCP ! You know your playerbase loves you as you love them.
Just....no F2P stuff please ? No microtransactions.

o7

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#492 - 2013-07-03 09:01:19 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Then EVE would no longer be EVE and just another WoW clone in space and just as much a pile of crap that WoW and other WoW clones are now.


Can't be another WOW clone, Blizzard kills any direct competition.

EvE will have to be the best space sim. But if they compete directly with WoW, Blizzard will turn it's sights on EvE.

EvE needs to grow. Seriously needs players. Break this stupidity of blobs ruling territory, and get players down into null and actually do stuff. What EvE is today a m-e-s-s. Tolerated because CCP can't afford to correct the problems (or lose the income...if the Goons left EvE, CCP will be closing down projects and maybe even their life blood DUST, to preserve what they have left, and become the next EQII).

Due to the choices there is in the industry, this EA guy is a step in the right direction. As CCP needs the intel from someone who actually worked there, not what they can learn from conferences and what the grapevine delivers.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#493 - 2013-07-03 09:04:09 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

I would love to get a merry band of paladins to march into Blizzard HQ and kick Ghostcrawler out of his Ivory Tower (like Aeralik got kicked from EQII), but after what that Warlock dev said about Blizzard HQ, the culture there adores him and he's protected. He came to be what he is when WotLK was released (2008) and it's been downhill since.




Biggest problem at least with the earlier expansions (don't know anything about Pandas) is that they produced the expansions as bolt on modules to the existing game rather than taking time to integrate the expansion properly into the existing game.

The most telling sign of this was the fact that top end existing equipment became redundant when you progressed into the new expansion material. Top end epics dropped in the original game was akin to low end items dropped at the start of the expansion material.

They also ruined the world levelling experience by making it faster to progress through older content so that someone could reach the content of the latest expansion quicker.

When they altered the old original game to give it a completely fresh look they made a couple of mistakes, they did not consider that people liked the land masses as they were before because they were familiar. With the introduction of the storylines at this time they made playing characters to linear and games like WoW are made to be played by having alts (for most people) and linear storylines means levelling characters becomes boring fast .

But that's enough about them.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#494 - 2013-07-03 09:05:10 UTC
coolzero wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
coolzero wrote:
it works for some games...it may get you money at first for eve but not before loosing a large chunk of veteran eve players(those who also have a lot of accounts), me included.


Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"



well its not like CCP had to deal with this before...first time they hinted microtransaction/f2p/gold ammo/greed is good look what it did to their sub numbers( well ill guess we dont know what the sub numbers where down to but since they reverted their greed is good statment it must have been enough to make them scared.)

EVE isnt the game the usual f2p/microtrransaction/gold ammo player plays they are usualy req you a few buttons to learn, the player that unsubbed back then where not replaced by F2P gamers and CCP had to back down on their greed is good plans.




The figure that I heard was that ~8-10% of subscriptions were cancelled in the 2 weeks after the "Greed Is Good" scandal broke.

Evidently, that was a loud enough cry that CCP did a 180 on their direction.

Personally, I see no reason for anyone to worry about EVE right now: CCP have seen very clear rewards for investing into EVE, PLEX are hugely profitable for them (the last figures we were given were that about 25% of subs were maintained by PLEX, but for various reasons I'd expect that fraction to have shrunk somewhat), and they already have a very high average revenue per customer, probably one of the highest in the MMO industry.

EVE also has one of the most loyal customer bases as well as one of the most lucrative. Once someone's passed that 6 month mark, they're statistically likely to stay indefinitely. Once they pass the 2 year mark, they are essentially 'lifers' who may take breaks but will almost always return.

That's why CCP has been so keen to focus on getting new players: EVE players are really valuable. Every player that they can get past that 6 month hurdle is worth hundreds of euros.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#495 - 2013-07-03 09:07:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
coolzero wrote:
it works for some games...it may get you money at first for eve but not before loosing a large chunk of veteran eve players(those who also have a lot of accounts), me included.


Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good Thing™, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"



"Sure, EVE has managed 10 years of continuous growth with those horrible meany-face veterans, but THIS year is the one where they'll start to be a liability!"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#496 - 2013-07-03 09:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Then EVE would no longer be EVE and just another WoW clone in space and just as much a pile of crap that WoW and other WoW clones are now.


Can't be another WOW clone, Blizzard kills any direct competition.

EvE will have to be the best space sim. But if they compete directly with WoW, Blizzard will turn it's sights on EvE.

EvE needs to grow. Seriously needs players. Break this stupidity of blobs ruling territory, and get players down into null and actually do stuff. What EvE is today a m-e-s-s. Tolerated because CCP can't afford to correct the problems (or lose the income...if the Goons left EvE, CCP will be closing down projects and maybe even their life blood DUST, to preserve what they have left, and become the next EQII).

Due to the choices there is in the industry, this EA guy is a step in the right direction. As CCP needs the intel from someone who actually worked there, not what they can learn from conferences and what the grapevine delivers.



You are so clueless.

You ask for more players but complain about blobs.

EvE will never compete with WoW, the day it does.. it isn't EvE anymore.

EA ... a step in the right direction? I bet you are one of those "gamers" that buys every half assed game they dump out and also the prelaunch DLCs. Roll


CCP has been doin it right for a decade, they don't need some MBA meathead that got fired from EA (voted as worst company ever) to help them out.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#497 - 2013-07-03 09:10:42 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
You are so clueless.

You ask for more players but complain about blobs.


How do you offset the blobs?

By getting real humans into the game.

Idea

Now learn what is successful and what is not , and not be another clueless dinosaur ready for extinction.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Enyeto Perah
#498 - 2013-07-03 09:12:49 UTC
More News on CCP EA

Quote:

One of Sean's responsibilities as VP of product development will be to figure out what developers should work on in the next cycle based on community feedback. CCP has never had to deal with the sheer volume of players that free-to-play games attract, and Sean's experience on the Play4Free titles is sure to come in handy here.


Nice, I bet he will listen very carefully to the "community feedback", just as he did with Command & Conquer 4!

Oh, and for all the "he surely will have nothing to do with EVE":

Quote:

Sean is to be the head of product development across all of CCP's games, not just the free-to-play titles, but I wouldn't worry about EVE going free to play any time soon.


Any time soon... so it's planned.

Leave the sinking ship!

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#499 - 2013-07-03 09:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Then EVE would no longer be EVE and just another WoW clone in space and just as much a pile of crap that WoW and other WoW clones are now.


Can't be another WOW clone, Blizzard kills any direct competition.


Blizzard doesn't kill the direct competition it's the companies that produce the games that kill their own games. WoW is in decline and it's likely to stay that way.

Ace Uoweme wrote:

EvE will have to be the best space sim. But if they compete directly with WoW, Blizzard will turn it's sights on EvE.

EvE needs to grow. Seriously needs players. Break this stupidity of blobs ruling territory, and get players down into null and actually do stuff. What EvE is today a m-e-s-s. Tolerated because CCP can't afford to correct the problems (or lose the income...if the Goons left EvE, CCP will be closing down projects and maybe even their life blood DUST, to preserve what they have left, and become the next EQII).

Due to the choices there is in the industry, this EA guy is a step in the right direction. As CCP needs the intel from someone who actually worked there, not what they can learn from conferences and what the grapevine delivers.


I think most games are a mess at the moment because the gaming industry is in a mess. People like to play games and they will even play crap if they can't find anything good.

The jury is out on the EA guy at the moment as we don't know what his intention is. Until we know that we can only guess based on the little we do know.

But if it does go the way of other EA games, then myself along with a lot of others won't be playing it.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#500 - 2013-07-03 09:14:52 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
You are so clueless.

You ask for more players but complain about blobs.


How do you offset the blobs?

By getting real humans into the game.

Idea

Now learn what is successful and what is not , and not be another clueless dinosaur ready for extinction.



Rofl, its obvious you are new here.

Go play your farmville and battlefield heros. We don't want any of that casual **** around here.