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Jump Freighter Ganking - CCP what you will do against this???

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Zane Lowe
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2013-07-03 00:29:33 UTC
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


Man, you really know nothing if you think you can kill a freighter with 30m worth of ships.
Callyuk
M1A12 Corp
#222 - 2013-07-03 01:32:17 UTC
Zane Lowe wrote:
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


Man, you really know nothing if you think you can kill a freighter with 30m worth of ships.


lets be generous here and say 70m
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2013-07-03 02:40:00 UTC
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


I totally agree. A single freighter pilot with no friends should definitely be able to take on a coordinated group of pirates and survive 50% of the time.

Oh wait.. no i don't.. that doesn't make any sense.

Also, what has isk got to do with it? Cheaper ships kill expensive ships in Eve all the time. It isn't the ship or the isk, but the pilot and the brains that wins.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#224 - 2013-07-03 02:44:31 UTC
ReZoon wrote:
What's the risk of flying a JF in high sec?


What's the risk of attacking a JF in high sec?



BALANCE

1. Very highrisk

2. Very low to no risk.

IMBALANCE

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#225 - 2013-07-03 02:44:51 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
While I don't condone ganks, I believe everyone should be able to defend them selves. Even a freighter. Easiest solution is giving freighters the option to haul faster and have less Ehp, or Haul slower and have more Ehp.


Put less **** in the cargo hold and you will survive more ganks. Low value cargo don't get ganked because it cost too much to pop the damn thing.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#226 - 2013-07-03 02:48:02 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:



2. Very low to no risk.



Well if you neglect the fact about all the ship used to attack said JF going boom every single time, I guess it's true there is nothing risked...

Facing the loot fairy and potential difference in EHP via implants/links is also a risk. Some freighter/JF leaves the site in structure sometime.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#227 - 2013-07-03 02:49:45 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
1. Very highrisk
LMAO no. If it were, they'd be dying all over the place. They aren't.
So we'll put that down as very low to no risk as well.

BALANCE!
Mourning Souls
Minmatar Republic
#228 - 2013-07-03 02:50:07 UTC
Only read OP.

If that is how he feels about JF's with 1.2b in the hold, I wonder how he'd feel about an empty one.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2013-07-03 02:52:15 UTC
Brush yourself off and get back on the horse... oh wait thats the other game. Get back in the ship? Oh wait it blew up...

Best of luck playing Solitaire.
Zane Lowe
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2013-07-03 04:05:36 UTC
Callyuk wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


Man, you really know nothing if you think you can kill a freighter with 30m worth of ships.


lets be generous here and say 70m


You missed a zero
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#231 - 2013-07-03 04:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
1. Very highrisk
LMAO no. If it were, they'd be dying all over the place. They aren't.
So we'll put that down as very low to no risk as well.

BALANCE!

Dying at all means it's very risky to autopilot to Jita with a hold of stuff.

VERY RISKY (to autopilot to Jita with a hold of stuff)

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Callyuk
M1A12 Corp
#232 - 2013-07-03 05:41:38 UTC
Elecktra Blue
Perkone
Caldari State
#233 - 2013-07-03 07:20:36 UTC
Callyuk wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdq5in9fR-Y


At this point, you should stop, all you are doing is spamming YouTube links.

Miniluv Minister
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#234 - 2013-07-03 07:35:01 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
Infinity Ziona wrote:
ReZoon wrote:
What's the risk of flying a JF in high sec?


What's the risk of attacking a JF in high sec?



BALANCE

1. Very highrisk

2. Very low to no risk.

IMBALANCE


Seriously.... Are you one of those that wants EVERY thing to be balanced cuz It's not fair?

You misunderstand the essence of EvE.

low to no risk? what exactly is the no risk part? Every high sec ganking ship gets concorded. that is not a no risk scenario. Turning criminal is a high risk scenario. Other players can pod you.

What exactly do you believe is fair? That JF are not allowed to be ganked in high sec?

Balanced.... and working as intended.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#235 - 2013-07-03 08:20:20 UTC
Callyuk wrote:
U MAD BRO ?
He doesn't get mad, he merely points out the mistakes you constantly make.

You sound butt hurt though, if that helps.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#236 - 2013-07-03 09:01:02 UTC
Callyuk wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


Man, you really know nothing if you think you can kill a freighter with 30m worth of ships.


lets be generous here and say 70m


Wont even get you two brutix.
Elecktra Blue
Perkone
Caldari State
#237 - 2013-07-03 09:05:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Callyuk wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


Man, you really know nothing if you think you can kill a freighter with 30m worth of ships.


lets be generous here and say 70m


Wont even get you two brutix.


Wait..We pay for ships?

Miniluv Minister
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#238 - 2013-07-03 09:23:44 UTC
They should point and giggle themselves to death. What everyone else is doing right now.Lol

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#239 - 2013-07-03 09:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Callyuk wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)


Man, you really know nothing if you think you can kill a freighter with 30m worth of ships.


lets be generous here and say 70m



Wut wut, you can kill a freighter with a Velator if the freighter pilot is dumb enough, undock while in WD and let the Velator pilot achieve this.

Now for regular ganks you need at least 7/8 Talos and 2/3 Brutix all T2 fitted with top skilled pilots.

Knowing a single Talos hull is already far more expensive than 70M do your own calculations. Yes some gangs need less dudes because he freighter pilot was an idiot and did something wrong.
And no you can't gant random freighter at the gate full of nice stuff with a 70M fitted ship, not even in gankers dreams.

Edit: At current Jita values you need to invest around +/- 1.5B to TRY the perfect gank not knowing you will succeed or loot anything valuable or enough to compensate for that 1.5B investment.
Knowing this, if you can't make it so the ganker team need to put double on the table to achieve their stuff, which means find more dudes more ships etc and becomes a logistics nightmare, then you're doing it wrong.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#240 - 2013-07-03 09:40:55 UTC
Elecktra Blue wrote:


Wait..We pay for ships?


Well we spend the isk other people gift us.