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Falcon p0wns?

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Mark Blema
#1 - 2013-06-27 23:36:52 UTC
So I am looking at getting into a falcon. I would like to know the pros and cons from other falcon owners concerning the high slots.... To blaster or rail? Please teach me about the boat.

The plan is for low sec PvP and I am leaning towards a rail fit with long point and orbiting at like 15 - 20 km.... The tank will be ECM and the lows will augment the ECM same with the rigs. I've gotten it thus far to have a 13.5 racial specific jam strength.


So on to the guns... What do you favor and why.

Also not a solo boat flying with at least one other boat but I don't know what my buddy will bring to the fray outside of what he promised "****"
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-27 23:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
1st and I'd say after this one no much more because you're usually dead after this one: "Get that falcon, kill it NAO !!"

Lol

Not my preferred reccon, felt really dirty after using a Rook a couple times. Lachesis and Arazu are my prefered but still, Falcon is a very nasty thing on your overview you want to get rid ASAP, you'll often be the very first target everyone switches to, a bit like dictors, they don't want you around.

For those guys I talk about using them frequently they tell me to not use it in other way than hot drops or gate camping, they can be used in many other pvp forms but seems the ships survivability becomes exponentially compromised, which is easy to get because that's exactly what I do whenever I see one on the overview no matter the primary target, I want to kill it ASAP and so do most of the guys in gang or fleet.

Edit: for gate camping you don't want to stick very close of that gate and try to apply whatever dps, imho.
ECM is a dice roll, you miss it and at 20km you can be sure you'll feel the pain.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#3 - 2013-06-27 23:50:25 UTC
A Falcon should be jamming at it's max jam range, and the highs don't really matter, stick anything you want in there.
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-28 01:29:59 UTC
smart bombs for anti drone work
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#5 - 2013-06-28 04:42:28 UTC
I'm thinking maybe he wants to solo pvp with it??? In that case staying at 100 or w/e won't help him much.
I honestly don't see a reason to orbit at 15-20 if they can't shoot back at you, might as well be short range. Also scrambler will turn off mwd of enemy.
And don't forget that if they have drones they can still take you out even without guns. Maybe put a plate or something in there just in case someone get a lock or a drone looks your way
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-06-28 10:37:25 UTC
Hamatitio wrote:
smart bombs for anti drone work


+1 this is what you fit in your high slots(beside a cloak). Watch the cap. Blink
Ryuce
#7 - 2013-06-28 15:20:02 UTC
Jill Antaris wrote:
Hamatitio wrote:
smart bombs for anti drone work


+1 this is what you fit in your high slots(beside a cloak). Watch the cap. Blink

I tend to fit an armor and/or hull repper too - sometimes I go with a probe lanucher - 1-2 medium smartbombs normally takes care of the drones very fast.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-28 15:37:55 UTC
If you want a solo pvp cloaky gank machine then you might want to try the pilgrim. Otherwise stick to the combat recons not the force recons since the force recons are more than squishy
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#9 - 2013-06-28 15:54:17 UTC
Mark Blema wrote:


The tank will be ECM


So on to the guns... What do you favor and why.




You need more tank than ecm. Unless you plan on jamming drones 1 by 1.
Falcon is best used at range, so rails is about the only option imo.
By range, I mean 70 to 100 km.
Ginger Barbarella
#10 - 2013-06-28 16:37:19 UTC
Mark Blema wrote:
So I am looking at getting into a falcon. I would like to know the pros and cons from other falcon owners concerning the high slots.... To blaster or rail? Please teach me about the boat.

The plan is for low sec PvP and I am leaning towards a rail fit with long point and orbiting at like 15 - 20 km.... The tank will be ECM and the lows will augment the ECM same with the rigs. I've gotten it thus far to have a 13.5 racial specific jam strength.


So on to the guns... What do you favor and why.

Also not a solo boat flying with at least one other boat but I don't know what my buddy will bring to the fray outside of what he promised "****"


There's a reason why "Blame Falcon" was a meme years ago. Google the history and you'll get an idea of why it's still loved (but only a shadow of what it used to be).

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#11 - 2013-06-28 19:09:18 UTC
All pro falcon pilots use cap xfers on their falcons.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#12 - 2013-06-28 19:34:04 UTC

Appropriate highs:

Cloak, of course...
Smart bombs to clear drones....
Covert Cyno

Acceptible options I've seen:
Probe Launcher
Nuet
Nos
Remote Armor Repper (hull could work).
Cyno

Things you don't need:
Guns,
Guns,
Guns,
because your not there to do dps!!!

Now, if this is a "solo" setup, then obviously you need guns too.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2013-06-28 19:53:18 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Mark Blema wrote:
So I am looking at getting into a falcon. I would like to know the pros and cons from other falcon owners concerning the high slots.... To blaster or rail? Please teach me about the boat.

The plan is for low sec PvP and I am leaning towards a rail fit with long point and orbiting at like 15 - 20 km.... The tank will be ECM and the lows will augment the ECM same with the rigs. I've gotten it thus far to have a 13.5 racial specific jam strength.


So on to the guns... What do you favor and why.

Also not a solo boat flying with at least one other boat but I don't know what my buddy will bring to the fray outside of what he promised "****"


There's a reason why "Blame Falcon" was a meme years ago. Google the history and you'll get an idea of why it's still loved (but only a shadow of what it used to be).


"Because of Falcon!"

How quickly the memory fades...
Mark Blema
#14 - 2013-06-29 00:55:37 UTC
Well it won't be a solo ship but were only going to have a total of two people in fleet. Possibly a third might join. In the interest of speeding up the murder I'm trying to go dps. Speed is our ally the longer the engagement the more likely there will be eccm support and more targets than we can deal with.

I am told my friend will try to bring a HAC as bait while I remain cloaked near by. Granted we've got a lot to work on but our fleet discipline is there and we work well together. I fear I've already given away to much but some understanding needed to be given, so the question could be clearly answered. I still cannot get confirmation from him though as to which if any HAC will be used in the fray.

Thanks so far for the enlightenment, I never thought of a plate. This then begs plate or EANM?
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#15 - 2013-06-29 16:49:02 UTC
Mark Blema wrote:
Well it won't be a solo ship but were only going to have a total of two people in fleet. Possibly a third might join. In the interest of speeding up the murder I'm trying to go dps. Speed is our ally the longer the engagement the more likely there will be eccm support and more targets than we can deal with.

I am told my friend will try to bring a HAC as bait while I remain cloaked near by. Granted we've got a lot to work on but our fleet discipline is there and we work well together. I fear I've already given away to much but some understanding needed to be given, so the question could be clearly answered. I still cannot get confirmation from him though as to which if any HAC will be used in the fray.

Thanks so far for the enlightenment, I never thought of a plate. This then begs plate or EANM?


mids/lows/rigs are suggested to be

10mn MWD
ECCM
5* racial ECM
--
1600 plate (meta 4 or tech 2)
2 signal distortion amps
--
2 T2 ewar rangerigs (only fools fit more jamstrength instead of jamrange)

highs normally turn out to be a cloak, an expanded launcher and two somethings (it really does not matter)
Hemmo Paskiainen
#16 - 2013-07-02 22:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Being a falcon pilot, regular usuer and fc myself with alot of experiance with falcons: you really need to learn to fly it with disapline in small fleets. You will be insat primaried en as thin as paper. Range is your everything and best friend. Decloak moments, hide moments ect all choises that can chance outcomes of fights. It is whats fun of flying a falcon, extra risk factor... like flying light dicters.

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?