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AWOXING - Penalized for Defending Yourself
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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#21 - 2013-06-27 08:51:53 UTC
Marcus Gideon wrote:
Wait, what?

1 - Merlin pilot

2 - Bantam pilot

3 - Dramiel pilot

4 - "Gallente scum"

So 2 completely separate pilots, Merlin and Bantam, warped in. They found Dramiel shooting at Scum. They moved to assist, at which point there are now 4 completely separate pilots in a firefight.

After the fight... Bantam comes under fire from Dramiel, and subsequently dies. Merlin engages Dramiel to avenge the death of Bantam... but Merlin is penalized for aggressing an otherwise neutral party.

This is precisely how the game works. The fight was between Bantam and Dramiel... Merlin had no "rights" to attack. Hence, Merlin loses Standings. Where the confusion seems to come, is Merlin and Bantam on the same keyboard. "You" are flying them both, but they are not the same person "in game".


With the recent changes to flags, times are MUCH simpler. OP is asking to make things overly complicated again, like they used to be.

As it stands... you are a threat to 1 person (Limited Engagement), or you are a threat to everybody (Suspect), or you are Concord bait (Criminal).

You could add in War Targets or Negative Standings, for good measure.

The story opened by saying the Dram was friendly. And you shot a friendly target. That's why you were penalized.


Even if you are suspect, I do believe you STILL lose standings. This is what I believe you are ignoring in this entire process. If you come in and shoot me, turn suspect - the way FW works (Correct me if I'm wrong). If the fleet that was assisting me engaged you due to "Suspect" while in militia, they would all lose standings.

Second off, the Dram was friendly. The only reason he attacked the Bantam was due to poor overview settings most likely set on by the changes in crime watch. Which make the FW alt repping a FW player go suspect, we had actually talked about the battle after. At which point I had my other monitor covered reading something (ironically while floating in space with the other guy). By the time I actually panned over the Bantam was hitting structure and exploded.

The point is, at the end of the day these mechanics need to be streamlined and implemented to avoid abuse. I don't care if someone like Adolf goes around with the militia tag killing people. What matters is that people should be able to fire on someone who is an obvious threat.

From what I am aware of, if you attack a Faction Warfare Player who is suspect, this will still cause a standing loss (Which I think it should). What would be nice is if we could have a section explaining how Crime Watch and FW work in conjunction with each other to at-least explain all factors.
ez caper
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-06-29 06:29:41 UTC
yeah there is some wierd stuff happening with FW and the flags system

standings get burned by shooting obvious awoxers,and there is no inteligent way around them

also the only way to get standings back after you reach the last rank in fw for the first time is doing normal missions,and since you cant got to high sec you gotta do said missions in low sec,franky too much of a pain to be bothered with
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#23 - 2013-07-02 15:04:50 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Machagon wrote:
Show me the part where your pilot was penalized for defending himself.


The part where I lost a ton of standing for shooting him after engaging my FW Bantam alt. Which since he had originally engaged first, I should of lost none in the process. This means that your typical FW AWOXER can get away with attacking one guy in the fleet and if everyone engages they lose a ton of their faction standing. To me that seems absurdly broken. Do you lose security status when someone fires on you first?


So your bantam character wasn't defending himself. An entirely separate character started an entirely unprovoked aggression and got what he deserved.

sounds fine to me
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#24 - 2013-07-02 15:53:20 UTC
You gave him 60mil?

You shouldn't have given him any money for being a stupid pilot.
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