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So last night I got killed for the first time...help me out.

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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#21 - 2013-07-01 23:49:38 UTC
Since everyone already gave you some advice and insight:

You don't need four implants in your head all the time. You only need the two you are currently skill training.

While you shouldn't lose your pod in low sec often, it's good practice when learning and especially in fragile little boats like frigates.

This is even more important for your wallet if you start to roam null in frigs or other small ehp boats.
Enochx Kaine
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-07-02 04:08:07 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Since everyone already gave you some advice and insight:

You don't need four implants in your head all the time. You only need the two you are currently skill training.

While you shouldn't lose your pod in low sec often, it's good practice when learning and especially in fragile little boats like frigates.

This is even more important for your wallet if you start to roam null in frigs or other small ehp boats.



Whoa dude. you are the guy who made the overview thing right? That thing rules the world for a newbie such as myself. IN FACT.....when I first escaped in my pod, I did it by using your travel tab. Basically just like you said in your description of how to use your overview.

I bow my head to you sir.

Since everyone thus far in my thread is a well of knowledge....lets keep going. I am like that robot from Short Circuit from back in the day. MORE INPUT. NUMBER JOHNNY FIVE IS ALIVE.

If I join a player run corp, can I still run missions for an NPC corp and still improve my standing with the NPS corp so I can eventually unlock higher missions? Or do you have to join the NPS corp in order to do missions? I read about missions today and I don't understand at all.

My plan for the game is to explore, do missions (for cash) and then do FW from time to time to learn pvp. Some advice I got is that FW is a good place to learn pvp...instead of just hauling ass to null and joining a corp there. I plan on sticking around in this game for a while....even got my first year plan on EvEmon, so I figured it is best to run around in high and mid sec before anything else.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#23 - 2013-07-02 05:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
NPC agents will talk to anyone with the appropriate standings. You can't join their corporation, since those corporations are for NPCs only, with some exceptions for Live Events. For more about mission agents and missions, check the article on Missions in EVElopedia.

As far as NPC standings go, check the article on Standings Mechanics in EVElopedia. Short version: you work for Level 1 agents to earn the reputation with the NPC corp so that you can then talk to L2 agents, and so on for L3–5. As you work for regular agents, you gain standings with that agent and their corporation. Every 16 missions of the same level for agents of the same faction, you will get a storyline mission offer. These missions will raise your standings with the faction: a Quafe storyline mission will raise your standings with the Gallente Federation. More detail in that article.
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-07-02 08:25:10 UTC
You were in low-sec (0.4). There is NO concord there, no matter if your sec status would have been over 9000.
In low-sec you only take a sec status hit (and most that shoot you don't care about it anyway) and gate/station guns shoot at you.

The yellow blinky means he is a suspect.

The wanted part = bounty (not linked to the blinky yellow part).

Player had a reason to kill you...you were in low-sec and he likes to kill people...that is enough reason to shoot you. You gave him a target to shoot at, not everything in EVE has to have a great goal.

He warped to a safe spot that is 183 km from your location. You can manuall set safespots in EVE to bounce to. And it's a very common stategy, specially in low-sec and null-sec.

L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#25 - 2013-07-02 11:37:07 UTC
Enochx Kaine wrote:



Whoa dude. you are the guy who made the overview thing right? That thing rules the world for a newbie such as myself. IN FACT.....when I first escaped in my pod, I did it by using your travel tab. Basically just like you said in your description of how to use your overview.




Not me. I used there overview settings. To get started as well. :)

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Louis%20deGuerre is the fella who did those.

Echo Echoplex
#26 - 2013-07-03 00:58:14 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Digging a bit deeper into this guys´ killboard, it seems you crossed blades with an absolute pro who knows what he is doing. Lots of experience both with 1v1 and his ship and knowing that system better than the top of his mouth.
Also assume both his relevant skills completely maxed out and the best (combat) implants money can buy. Possibly an OGB as well.

In short, you were unlucky enough to fight someone who is on the very top of the Eve foodchain...


Edit: Hell, that man went on and killed a battlecruiser with his Incursus an hour later, awesome!

Top ranked no less!:

http://s8.postimg.org/imneama0l/Screen_Shot_2013_07_02_at_8_55_05_PM.png

Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. Gen. George S. Patton

Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#27 - 2013-07-03 01:28:18 UTC
In all honesty, he was toying with you m8, if he was playing for keeps I doubt you would have seriously dent his active armor tank before he took you down. He probably wasn't pushing the reps to tease you into sticking around while closing the distance for his scrambler. Still a valiant attempt tho! You will get there with some skill training and experience!

Fly hard o/

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Enochx Kaine
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-07-03 03:01:32 UTC
someone in this thread sent me a private message and asked me to respond. But it costs 1 mill ISK to respond to you. Come on dude, I am new but I ain't that stupid. I even went to South Carolina public schools and I STILL ain't that stupid. My whole family including myself was born in the Appalachian Mountains.....meaning that when you call us "hillbilly" we don't get mad, we just say "Yeah...what do you want?" And STILL I ain't that dumb.

Tell you what....and you know who you are.....you send me two million ISK and then I will respond back twice to you. Deal?
Enochx Kaine
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-07-03 03:02:10 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
In all honesty, he was toying with you m8, if he was playing for keeps I doubt you would have seriously dent his active armor tank before he took you down. He probably wasn't pushing the reps to tease you into sticking around while closing the distance for his scrambler. Still a valiant attempt tho! You will get there with some skill training and experience!

Fly hard o/



Let me live in my fantasy land of being a contender after one fight. Buzz killer.
Enochx Kaine
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-07-03 03:02:38 UTC
Enochx Kaine wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
In all honesty, he was toying with you m8, if he was playing for keeps I doubt you would have seriously dent his active armor tank before he took you down. He probably wasn't pushing the reps to tease you into sticking around while closing the distance for his scrambler. Still a valiant attempt tho! You will get there with some skill training and experience!

Fly hard o/



Let me live in my fantasy land of being a contender after one fight. Buzz killer.



I am just kidding by the way....don't stop the advice. I beg of thee.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#31 - 2013-07-03 08:46:26 UTC
Two thumbs up and a +1 for good attitude. Blink
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
Out of the Blue.
#32 - 2013-07-03 09:51:03 UTC
Enochx Kaine wrote:
someone in this thread sent me a private message and asked me to respond. But it costs 1 mill ISK to respond to you. Come on dude, I am new but I ain't that stupid. I even went to South Carolina public schools and I STILL ain't that stupid. My whole family including myself was born in the Appalachian Mountains.....meaning that when you call us "hillbilly" we don't get mad, we just say "Yeah...what do you want?" And STILL I ain't that dumb.

Tell you what....and you know who you are.....you send me two million ISK and then I will respond back twice to you. Deal?


That million ISK is called a CSPA charge and it doesn't go to the player.

Just sayin Big smile
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-07-03 12:46:39 UTC
Enochx Kaine wrote:
Sweet. At least it looks like I ALMOST killed a pro my first time out. I KNEW I should have just eaten my losses with that Heron....but no one has ever attacked me before. I had to stand up for myself.

Sorry dude, but you're deluding yourself. You never came close to killing him, he was baiting you.

The first thing you do after losing a ship and deciding to go back and have another go. Is find out who killed you (check your loss mail in your combat log) then look the guy up on eve-kill or Battleclinic and find how he fits the ship he killed you with - it's not definite that he'll be in the same fit, but quite likely:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18536632

The thing to note is that an Incursus has a bonus to active armor repping and he fits an armor repper and armor repping rigs too to maximise that.

Shooting his shields away is irrelevant, his tank was armor. You say you got him to low armor on the final fight, by then he knew that he could take you and he simply left his repper off to keep you interested and hopefully coming back for yet another fight. Believe me if you had got into his structure, you would have seen his armor magically reappear.

First battle you were in a Heron, usually Heron's are untanked. He took a chance that he would kill you quick and then be able to warp off before the station guns could kill him and he did. But make no mistake the guns would have gone for him, only they take a few seconds to lock and he can tank them long enough to go to warp. After that you had a limited engagement timer running with him. It lasts 15 minutes, you engaged the second time within that timer so he could freely engage you again without station gun interference. That reset the limited engagement timer and once again you re-engaged while it was still active, hence no station gun help again.

He was flashy yellow before the first engagement, if you were using the default colours that means he had a criminal flag running and you could have freely started the engagement without NPC interference. But as someone has said once you do he can freely shoot back.
Enochx Kaine
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-07-03 12:52:16 UTC
Tialano Utrigas wrote:
Enochx Kaine wrote:
someone in this thread sent me a private message and asked me to respond. But it costs 1 mill ISK to respond to you. Come on dude, I am new but I ain't that stupid. I even went to South Carolina public schools and I STILL ain't that stupid. My whole family including myself was born in the Appalachian Mountains.....meaning that when you call us "hillbilly" we don't get mad, we just say "Yeah...what do you want?" And STILL I ain't that dumb.

Tell you what....and you know who you are.....you send me two million ISK and then I will respond back twice to you. Deal?


That million ISK is called a CSPA charge and it doesn't go to the player.

Just sayin Big smile



Oops. I thought I was being scammed. I was also told during my first forum post awhile ago now to trust no one and beware of scammers. Where does the CSPA charge go if not to the player?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2013-07-03 12:53:48 UTC
It just disappears. It's an ISK sink that people use to discourage strangers from talking to them.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-07-03 13:28:43 UTC
My advice is to look at the guy's kills and losses and put that into perspective. For the first 6 months of this year he's gotten 3,772 kills. That's a lot. But he's also lost 98 ships. If you look at his record for the previous year you'll notice much less activity, but still he was losing 1-3 ships a month and getting 10 times as many kills each month. In late 2011 he was losing almost as much as he was getting.

You can see the player's progression of skill over time. He's gotten good at flying a certain ship class. He's gotten good at winning a particular type of engagement, and developed a system for getting that type of engagement frequently. He's gotten good at avoiding engagements that he isn't going to win. We don't know what sort of behind-the-scenes toys he uses to get a bigger edge (bait accounts, scout accounts, booster alts, implants, etc.).

Even with all that practice and investment, he's still lost over 100 ships this year alone. You've lost 2. Ever.

Don't get mad. You've only lost 2 relatively cheap ships and 2 cheap pods. If you want to get good at PvP you have to get past the fact that a lot of PvP in EVE is expensive and fairly boring. Roaming the same 3 systems over and over and over looking for newbies flying exactly the right ship and doing exactly the same stupid stuff just to boost your BattleClinic stats is pretty boring most of the time. The upside is that after a while you get good at it.

So, as for advice (and please realize that I'm terrible at PvP because I'm too lazy to take my own advice). Find a ship that's good at killing a common type of ship that people fly a lot. Buy them in bulk, like 20 at a time including fittings. Get familiar with a particular area and what the people that live around that area do. Kill people your ship is designed to fight, and avoid fights with people your ship isn't designed to fight. The last part is probably the hardest part.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Mark Rain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-07-03 13:40:36 UTC
Make sure your medical clone is up to date as for skill points, or you will lose more than implants on the next death.

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