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Incursion griefing getting kicked into high gear

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#221 - 2011-11-08 18:12:09 UTC
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:
Atomik Harmonik wrote:
somebody says Incursions are making too much money, wahhhh

somebody else says; no they're not, wahhhh

So what? have your fun, play the game...who cares what the reason is that Incursions are getting griefed...I sure as hell don't!!!

I want to hear more stories about shiny ships blowing up, not wall after wall of text explaining motivations and debates about the finer points of ISK sinks and tethers.


I agree, we need to get back on topic of crushing incersioners under heel, Ammzl is a very broken record and his argument never changes


*successful troll is successful*
\o/
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#222 - 2011-11-08 18:15:58 UTC
Wait, there was a point? I thought it got lost after like 8 pages of economic epeen measuring.
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#223 - 2011-11-08 18:24:39 UTC
Ammzi wrote:

*successful troll is successful*
\o/


Cool story Bro

why dont you try incursion griefing next, its even more refreshing
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#224 - 2011-11-08 19:24:41 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
You DARE misquote me. I am so outraged that would I have been a normal troll I'd have put this many exclamation marks in:

----> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <----

Here are the https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=229653#post229653 numbers

It's 36,4-38,9 billion isk an hour AT ABSOLUTELY, MEGA, FANTSTIC GIGA ULTRA PEAAAAAK TIME. Get it right before I have to chop it out in dead animal bones and spell it for you on the street. Peak time is the utter peak time of incursion runners INCLUDING the assumption of 3 highsec incursions and extreme crowdness in highsec.
Extremely, magically peak time. Estimated to last 20 hours every week.

The weekly average is so much lower!

umad? Cool

You ignore my repeated point that the issue isn't just the quantity of isk they make, it's that they make as much as riskier group activities in nullsec. Nullsec operations have natural isk-sinks. Again: NO COMPARABLE ISK SINK. They put isk into the market with little risk of anything being lost.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#225 - 2011-11-08 19:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
You DARE misquote me. I am so outraged that would I have been a normal troll I'd have put this many exclamation marks in:

----> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <----

Here are the https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=229653#post229653 numbers

It's 36,4-38,9 billion isk an hour AT ABSOLUTELY, MEGA, FANTSTIC GIGA ULTRA PEAAAAAK TIME. Get it right before I have to chop it out in dead animal bones and spell it for you on the street. Peak time is the utter peak time of incursion runners INCLUDING the assumption of 3 highsec incursions and extreme crowdness in highsec.
Extremely, magically peak time. Estimated to last 20 hours every week.

The weekly average is so much lower!

umad? Cool

You ignore my repeated point that the issue isn't just the quantity of isk they make, it's that they make as much as riskier group activities in nullsec. Nullsec operations have natural isk-sinks. Again: NO COMPARABLE ISK SINK. They put isk into the market with little risk of anything being lost.


It does have an ISK sink, not very large one though.
But for every LP generated and spend 1 ISK is "sunk". (concord LP that is, it's different with the customs offices though).

Why do you never talk about incursions in nullsec? Sad They pay out almost double of highsec incursions.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#226 - 2011-11-08 19:49:25 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
[quote=Razor Blue]...L4 mission bots than Incursion income, indicating that he believes they inject more cash into the system than Incursions. I won't argue that as there aren't any real numbers, but I'd certainly agree that mission bots should be dealt with. A dirty fix would be a captcha every 4-5 missions.


Oh, they will be. Our minions in CCP are hard at work on a new weapon to fight the Mission Runner Scourge. A storm is a' brewing lads and the farmers in the Umokka/Ruvas Bot Heaven will soon feel its righteous wrath.

Pirate

Quality Assurance Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
Razor Blue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2011-11-08 21:01:04 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
To state the issue a bit more clearly.

Incursions are, for the most part, pure ISK. 80-120mil of it per hour.

There has never been a PURE ISK source, in highsec, like this before. You can blitz level 4's for 60-80mil an hour, but you're blitzing for LP which has a built in ISK / materials / tags sink.

Fundamentally, the best way of earning ISK in highsec has increased by something like 50% in terms of hourly income AND that income is not tethered to an ISK sink.

That changes things.


First, it is only a good thing that incursion sanshas are pure isk faucet and not a mineral faucet too.

Second, Concord LP store is isk sink too. 250mil for 6% implant. 150mil for 5run BPC. Personally i have spent nearly 1,5b isk in it. From Vanguards the LP payout is 1400, so if that LP is spend in Concord store, 1,4mil isk is sunk per site.
Or the LP can be exchanged but that would result 20% loss. A good fleet would result roughly 10k exchanged LP / hour.

People just keep on raging how incursions can make 100-120mil isk per hour, but completely disregard how easily and fast those numbers starts to dive. A bit overcrowded system, looking for replacement, lose a contested site, one player needs cat feeding afk and.... BAM!! Your isk/hour has suddently crashed on par with lvl4 missions or anomalys.

Lastly, if you can get together 7-8 faction fit pirate bs and 3 logistics, you are damn sure to be very effective in whatever you decide to do, yes?
boooooosso
Negating a Nasty Outcome.
Negating a Nasty Outcome. Alliance.
#228 - 2011-11-08 21:16:55 UTC
OM I just saw this on Youtube. Funny **** ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwA--gnZWDA&feature=youtu.be

OMG, I'm going to be following this **** from now on. Guy in corp linked it. This is awesome.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#229 - 2011-11-08 21:25:41 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Why do you never talk about incursions in nullsec? Sad They pay out almost double of highsec incursions.


Because lowsec and nullsec incursions have natural risk associated with them, the same as wormholes. It's entirely possible for a PVP fleet to show and up ruin the incursion fleets' day without fear of concord.

Let me make this clear: I have absolutely no problem with the incursion content. On the contrary, I think it's brilliant. My problem is that the payout of highsec incursions does not reflect the safety afforded to players. Remove the concord protection and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#230 - 2011-11-08 21:27:57 UTC
boooooosso wrote:
OM I just saw this on Youtube. Funny **** ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwA--gnZWDA&feature=youtu.be

OMG, I'm going to be following this **** from now on. Guy in corp linked it. This is awesome.


There will be more videos soon. I have about two hours of footage, including more of Odemis' singing squirrel ransoms. It's just a matter of finding the time to edit.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#231 - 2011-11-08 21:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
boooooosso wrote:
OM I just saw this on Youtube. Funny **** ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwA--gnZWDA&feature=youtu.be

OMG, I'm going to be following this **** from now on. Guy in corp linked it. This is awesome.


Oh lol ....
Floppie we agree then, almost Blink

This is where I will leave your thread.
I have put fourth my ideas and perception and the same have you all. Been a pleasure, but now it's up to CCP to either nerf incursions or not.

(Please buff assaults and HQ's, please please please. They are so much more fun, but earn very little compared to vanguards Sad)
kiki mo
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#232 - 2011-11-08 22:02:38 UTC
good



can we lock this thread now?
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#233 - 2011-11-08 22:16:20 UTC
kiki mo wrote:
good



can we lock this thread now?


Huh, .. but why?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#234 - 2011-11-08 22:47:17 UTC
kiki mo wrote:
good

can we lock this thread now?

But there are still funnies to be made!

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Andrei Taganov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#235 - 2011-11-08 22:53:28 UTC
Ammzi wrote:


No, you and I define the term "corp member" differently.
Slimy worm and his numerous alts got your corp blacklisted and wardecced by mercenaries that some incursion runners hired.
So several corp members that were griefing gave your corp a bad reputation.


Just the facts. Slimy Worm is only one man, and only one member of SKNK.


Ammzi wrote:


Our options are limited.


Mine were too, welcome to the club.

Ammzi wrote:


...Says he should have called me a "crybaby" instead of a "hypocrite" after being called out for Ad Hominem (quite civilly, I might add), accuses me of "QQ" ing, and then refuses to respond to more of my post that contains relevant comparisons and analysis of the situation he claims to be so interested in clearing the air about because I'm calling names!...


You, sir, are clearly trolling (I should have listened the first time I said that). As such, I hope you will pardon me if I excuse myself from any further attempts to feed you.

~Andrei.
Andrei Taganov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#236 - 2011-11-08 22:59:34 UTC
boooooosso wrote:
OM I just saw this on Youtube. Funny **** ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwA--gnZWDA&feature=youtu.be

OMG, I'm going to be following this **** from now on. Guy in corp linked it. This is awesome.


Yes! The first video is finally up! After watching that, I can't imagine anyone thinking that what we're actually doing should be stopped...

~Andrei.
Andrei Taganov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#237 - 2011-11-08 23:00:13 UTC
kiki mo wrote:
good



can we lock this thread now?


You could just stop clicking it.

~Andrei.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#238 - 2011-11-08 23:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Andrei Taganov wrote:


You, sir, are clearly trolling (I should have listened the first time I said that). As such, I hope you will pardon me if I excuse myself from any further attempts to feed you.

~Andrei.


*tucks napkin*
Oh well, there's other places to be fed.
Au revoir!


PS: Did you see the new videos from SISI?
Turret fire that "miss" a ship will actually VISUALLY miss ships now!!!
Speed tanking buff x 1000
TheMcNaughty
RUCIHIIII
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#239 - 2011-11-09 03:58:44 UTC
Ammzi wrote:


*tucks napkin*
Oh well, there's other places to be fed.
Au revoir!



Oh thank God...
carmelos53
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2011-11-09 04:49:52 UTC
It's pretty funny to me^ that you guys are all tearing because your Corp gets banned from two CHANNELS...now add the fact that you knew exactly what your Corp mate was doing and didn't mind it but still feel hurt that your corps are... Let's just repeat this statement.... --->channel banned<---

You guys are just a bunch of kids. Maybe some ice cream will cheer slimy worm and his friends up. The actions of your Corp members dictate how the people see the group. If you didn't like the opinions of others hurting your "good name" maybe being dochebags in the first place wasn't the best option.

Please go tell your parents maybe they will care.