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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#41 - 2013-06-30 15:42:43 UTC
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Or because they mine somewhere. It's really hard to say what goes through the mind of someone who wardecs people in highsec, and keeping low profile all the time means you're not enjoying the game. So I guess - no matter what, learn how to bite :)


Regardless of how seemingly arbitrary a war declaration might be there is always some kind of reason behind it. Usually like you said it's because you did something that made you stand out as either a good target or an idiot that deserves to be shot at. You might be engaging in some activity that you think is perfectly innocuous only for someone who prefers to target people doing that exact thing to be flying by at the exact time you're doing it.

Just being in an absurdly badly fit ship, like a battleship with the wrong type of guns on it can make you a target if you decide it's a great idea to sit outside a busy station in it.

There's no way to totally eliminate incoming war declarations just because of the different criteria people use to chose targets can vary dramatically depending on how different groups operate.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-06-30 17:29:46 UTC
Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.

It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.

You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.

You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."

In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here.
Duke Amarro
Thief Guild
#43 - 2013-06-30 18:09:48 UTC
Cipher7 wrote:
Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.

It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.

You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.

You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."

In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here.


Read my OP again and point out where did I ask "why was he allowed to attack me?"
I asked why would a vet attack noobs, there must be something he is getting out of it, and i was interested to know what it is. I am a new player, so it is not likely someone hired him to do it. Now people explained that he must have done it for laughs. I did ask him and he confirmed I was an unlucky random target. Now I understand.

What I don't understand is sour people like yourself, my unhappy gay LGBT friend and few others. What are you trying to accomplish? This is not a chat room, this is a thread that could enlighten new players about some aspects of the game, so stop polluting it.

Last but not least, who are you to tell me what's for me to do or not ? and at what stage should "I bare my teeth"? whatever the hell that mean. This is EVE New Citizens Q&A section, not EVE Old Citizens G&T section. So stop your Grief and Troll please.
Duke Amarro
Thief Guild
#44 - 2013-06-30 18:56:37 UTC
Zanzbar wrote:
even thoguh it may have been said a bit harshly by some others it is true the at this moment there is little reason for eve players to care who owns a dust district. you get some bonuses to POS processes if you hapen to own one in molden heath around a planet in which dust mercs in your corp also own a district... so almost nobody.

im currious to know who your main group is as might shed some light on th reasons for the war, wouldent be the first war delcared on sombody because of who they are known to work with.

Ask Zaria :)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#45 - 2013-06-30 21:21:12 UTC
People get extremely hostile towards new players that have or appear to have an attitude of entitlement towards not being shot at by whoever wants to shoot at them. Which is the impression a lot of people got from your post.

Obviously everyone is entitled to shoot at whoever they please for whatever reason suits them. If you actually want to know why someone picked you to shoot at the only way to know is to ask that person.
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-06-30 21:49:08 UTC
Duke Amarro wrote:
someone our size.


There is so such thing in EVE as a fair fight....most of the time.

Welcome to EVE. Have fun! :)

Bring your possibles.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#47 - 2013-07-01 01:30:05 UTC
Well, I don't know what caused your first war but I know what's going to cause the next one.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-07-01 06:40:46 UTC
9 people say: There's something wrong with your attitude. Instead of questioning the why of it, you could instead ask, how do I avoid this? How do I fight back? If I can't beat him, what can I do instead? If I strike up a conversation with him, will he help/teach me?

1 newbie says: You're all wrong, I know what to do already, my awesome attitude is NOT a problem.

More vets offer help and advice, none taken.

There OP, spotted your problem. Fix your know-it-all attitude and you should hopefully avoid the next few wardecs that arise from this thread.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-07-01 06:43:06 UTC
Duke Amarro wrote:
Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture.

BTW, this is an example of the 'know-it-all' attitude that's the root cause of the derision and trolling in this thread. Before anyone actually offers any advice you make a post rejecting any incoming information outright. Well done.
Duke Amarro
Thief Guild
#50 - 2013-07-01 07:24:41 UTC
I ask the moderators to kindly lock the thread, I got answers to my questions, and the thread is turning into ad hominem.

To the kind positive replies, thank you for your help. It is appreciated, good karma is on its way to you.

To those who think I have an attitude they don't appreciate, you could have simply ignored the thread, denied me your knowledge, and spared me your opinions on my personality. I didn't invade your personal space and you're not forced to interact with me.

PS. Hats off to CCP for being able to deal successfully with such customers for 10 years. So masochistic.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-07-01 07:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Lets put a stop to this thread.

That corp was on my list when I saw a 2004 player in an extremely expensively fitted ship 1 or 2 months ago.

I make a list of corps I plan on deccing. It can range from...

Rude in local
Posting Corp recruitment in local
Jumping a gate and seeing 5 or 6 of the same corp on a gate.
Corp spam cans in belts and gates
White Knight Corps
People posted idiotic thing on the forums
If your a Nightmare Pilot (Because that is the only faction BS is have not popped yet)
Or a ship type I have the urge to pop. TECH II BS is next on my list of "got to get them all"

And Last but not least somebody paying me to do so even though I don't really do the merc thing anymore. If the isk is good why not.

I don't berate my targets and never smacktalk them. People see an older player and immediately think he is unbeatable which is never the case. Otherwise I would have been killed a lot when I was younger ingame. I am always outnumbered and any corp able to function as a group will be able to keep me docked or pop me. it is really that simple.

As for why spend 50mil to dec a corp. 50mil is nothing and well worth the reasons above.

I am not a monster and many of my ex war targets convo me for advice... hell their members even join my training corp in hopes to help their corp learn. Of the record I prefer to help those corp improve and function better as a group. Even though I myself hate playing with a group.

Was the OP a bit aggressive in post? Yes.. unfortunately I see this thread is going to cause them more issues in the future when he creates another corp then I ever would of with my war.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-07-01 08:19:41 UTC
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

If the OP had said "Someone declared war on me and my newbros, how do we fight back?" he would probably have got some good advice and some sympathy, but he posted what he did, and has been thoroughly ridiculed because of it.


He posted "why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me." Some people responded with "yes vets do that, deal with it, here's what to do", which is actually valuable and the guy now knows that this is a part of EVE life. Ridiculed for what? Have you ever seen some of those _real_ whines, a la "omg our peaceful corp of miners got wardecced by this uber veteran, EVE is so unfair CCP fix it", or even better "CCP this game is unbalanced, I know it because I am experienced player being in WoW for whole 5 yrs, now immediately do this and that to fix your game"? That's something worth of laugh, not this guy.

On the other side - it's awesome to watch people repeating monkeys, banana and ice water experiment here in EVE.


OP came to EVE expecting a less harsh place then expected.

He made his own corp without knowing what it wqould open him up to things like wardecs.

So, the laughing is deserved, he jumped into something without proper research and now complains how people use legit game mechanics against him.
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-07-01 08:26:16 UTC
Duke Amarro wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Here's the reason everyone is jumping on him. He isn't reading a damn thing and thinks he knows what's going on. The original question is a whine...why pay 50mil? It's a game mechanic and you're a free target. The part about owning Molden Heath is also laughable.

Read the avoiding loss part real close...becuase at this point he thinks he can and hasen't read anything about why you would actually fight the guy. Then check out the only flying frigates part where he thinks to even fight he needs something bigger.

Dead man walkin'.


For a gay man, you sound really sour and unhappy. Just sayin'.


And this is actual the sole reson he gets trolled. He has the attitude of a ******** 12 year old person. Keep to your console games, people in EVE don't like your kind and will likely never give any advice with such an attitude.

I agree, you turtled up and think you need max skill to fight.

Both are wrong. If you picked a cheap fit, fought Cannibal Kane, you would have lost the ship but won the fight. You would have learned something from it. Hiding in your npc corp will only attract more harm to you, as now people know they can make you rage on the forums by wardeccing you.
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-01 08:28:20 UTC
Duke Amarro wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:
Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.

It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.

You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.

You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."

In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here.


Read my OP again and point out where did I ask "why was he allowed to attack me?"
I asked why would a vet attack noobs, there must be something he is getting out of it, and i was interested to know what it is. I am a new player, so it is not likely someone hired him to do it. Now people explained that he must have done it for laughs. I did ask him and he confirmed I was an unlucky random target. Now I understand.

What I don't understand is sour people like yourself, my unhappy gay LGBT friend and few others. What are you trying to accomplish? This is not a chat room, this is a thread that could enlighten new players about some aspects of the game, so stop polluting it.

Last but not least, who are you to tell me what's for me to do or not ? and at what stage should "I bare my teeth"? whatever the hell that mean. This is EVE New Citizens Q&A section, not EVE Old Citizens G&T section. So stop your Grief and Troll please.


He does it cause he can.

What does he get out of it: Your raging posts here about EVE being unfair and your attitude being bad.

He just won the war.
Duke Amarro
Thief Guild
#55 - 2013-07-01 08:57:58 UTC
Maika Mabata wrote:
blah blah blah

Are you sure you wrote enough posts? because 3 consecutive posts in less than 10 minutes clearly arent't enough. especially after the two parties directly involved in the matter (Cannibal kane and I) asked for a stop to the thread.

CCP, Please put a stop to the thread and lock it.
Maika Mabata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-01 09:13:10 UTC
Duke Amarro wrote:
Maika Mabata wrote:
blah blah blah

Are you sure you wrote enough posts? because 3 consecutive posts in less than 10 minutes clearly arent't enough. especially after the two parties directly involved in the matter (Cannibal kane and I) asked for a stop to the thread.

CCP, Please put a stop to the thread and lock it.


Exactly the attitude I was talking about.

I will await further threads about you being wardecced where ever you go.
Kordus Aelar
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-07-01 09:34:19 UTC
Just want to say...

I play on Consoles, and I play MMOs on PC.

I see far more childish behavior from so-called "hardcore PVPers" in my MMOs, than I do on my Console games.

then again, I don't play crap like Call of Duty, which is apparently where all the little kids are.

either way, this thread is isn't about of "console players", so why bash them unnecessarily?

it's just one guy who doesn't understand how EVE works.
Kordus Aelar
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-07-01 09:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kordus Aelar
Cipher7 wrote:
Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.

It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.

You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.

You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."

In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here.


this is, while probably sage advice, put forth in an incredibly condescending manner.

I can just see, in my mind's eye, Cipher7 waggling his finger in the guy's face, saying "you aren't allowed to speak until you've played 6 years."
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#59 - 2013-07-01 14:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Duke Amarro wrote:
Maika Mabata wrote:
blah blah blah



CCP, Please put a stop to the thread and lock it.


Expect lots of this type of response when you ask CCP to clean up your mess.

Edit:

...and please leave this thread open to be bumped so other new guys have an example of what NOT to do when wardeced.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#60 - 2013-07-01 16:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
This thread is .... mostly unhelpful...

I don't know why people are ranting about districts, and who owns what, the value of Dust players, et al... but they need to go vent elsewhere; Not in New Citizens.

A few points:

One of my favorite things about 3rd person shooters (I was a CS and PS player for a long time), is that newbs can still defeat veterans. This is true in EvE as well. I don't know your combat capabilities, but you can be in a viable combat ready Frigate easily within 2 weeks.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Cannibal+Kane#knownShips

Now, 2 vs 1, where they are flying lots of "advanced ships" (T3, Machariels, Vindicators, CS's), will be hard to take on (at least in two t1 frigates). When he comes out in an AF (Vengeance, Wolf) or even the Cynabal, he's very engageable with both of you in t1 frigates, when you read up and understand how to engage them. You need to become familiar with EWAR, learn to work as a team, and carefully pick when you engage before you'll have "success", but I think you could have had a lot of fun learning off this guy.

As for why he would target you? Why do you shoot that new character in Dust that doesn't move after they spawn? In truth, it doesn't matter why, all that matters is what you plan to do about it.

Next, joining FW as a newb corp (especially with just you and your buddy), is a giant mixed bag of worms: Depending on where you move and what timezone you play, you may find lots of interesting and enjoyable fights, you may find overwhelming force, or you may be a part of that overwhelming force. I hope you have the best of luck in targets. I must warn you however, that one thing you will find ubiquitously throughout FW is the use of booster alts. Learn to scan a system, and pay attention to local, so you can identify when you are fighting a player utilizing boosters, vs fighting someone without. The reason I bring this up, is that while an all level V character might have 10-20% more tank, 10-20% more speed, more dps, etc... a booster will can give 30-60% more tank, 15-35% more speed, 20-50% more tackle range, etc... on top of any advantages due to skills. Boosters don't need to be on grid to give this bonus to fleet mates, making it appear that you are taking on a single ship when in fact it is often buffed to an extreme.

Common booster ships are Tech3 Cruisers [Loki (Speed & Tackle), Legion (Armor bonuses), Tengu (Shield), and Proteus (EWAR strength & resistance)], although any command ship, and most BC's can give "less potent" version of the boosts described above.

The only reason I bring this up, is many new pilots decide to attempt PvP in the FW arena, and then come out thinking that they it's there poor skills that unbalanced the playing field to the point they couldn't compete. The truth is, EvE Skillpoint system gives some advantages to older players, but these are generally small advantages. It is the booster system that really destroys game balance, and since it is so overused in FW, you need to learn to identify boosters, and understand how they augment ships!!

Finally, if you want to learn some of the basics of PvP, Agony runs PvP Basic Classes, which teaches the basics of PvP fighting in frigates. We have a "Full Class" this weekend, but if you message me, I can probably pull some strings and get you (and your buddy) into the class on scholarships. One Class == two sessions; on Fri & Sat @ 23:00 EvE (this is Early-to-Mid Evening US TZs).

Here is our class signup page, with lots of info links.