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Tengu over Proteus even if low skills ?
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Creepy Ambramotte
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#1 - 2013-07-01 15:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Creepy Ambramotte
Hey,

Been thinking about doing some solo stuff in a wh, i am terribly far away from actually doing it but id like to have it on paper before i even start.


People suggest Tengu to do solo C3 sleeper sites but i find that a slight problem . Most of the fits that i have found for tengu tend to not have a covert cloak or a probe launcher.

While i could bring noctics with the probe , it is a huge bulky ship which might cause issues.

The noctics with my alt is there to salvage and get all the stuuuf.

My missile skills are at its bare minimum and i am already almost into T2 Hybrids so i am still debating and thought i would post about it here , maybe get some help.


Heres a proteus fit that i have put together:

http://puu.sh/3sBAU.png

[Proteus, Proteus: All-In-One Hunter]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


Salvage Drone I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5



The idea is to web down and orbit i guess , and try to stay transversal of the battleships.

Would this be doable ?
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#2 - 2013-07-01 15:37:21 UTC
Whats the tank on it?
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-07-01 15:39:40 UTC
You cannot run a c3 site with a covert ops setup on any of the t3 hulls. You will die. As for a probe launcher..... Fit it if you have to, though you should scan down your sites in a cloaky frig and then come back in your nicely tanked and strong pew pewed t3.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#4 - 2013-07-01 15:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Matarella
That fit will run C2 sites. but no more.

And I find it a bit to pricy for that, swapping that cap booster to a large capacitor battery. and changing 1 or 2 rigs to CCC's will make you cap stable. and change the last rig to auxiliary nano pump.
Creepy Ambramotte
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#5 - 2013-07-01 15:47:54 UTC
How should i fit it then ? for example with a normal cloak at minimum.

To have more tank.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#6 - 2013-07-01 15:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Matarella
I was playing with the proteus yesterday to get a C3 fitting. I was able to come up with something,m but far from optimal. Tengu will be faster and better. and cheaper aswel.



[Proteus, WH life?]

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


That should be able to do C3 anomalies. may have to warp out when under heavy neuting in 1 of the sites. and only have to run both reppers when under heavy fire. Use AB to close in. And to get transversal up. web down frigs to kill them.

you can obviously change magstabs to T2. but then there is absolutely no reason to take this over a tengu.
Creepy Ambramotte
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#7 - 2013-07-01 16:03:08 UTC
Might have to try it out to see the how the proteus handles :/

T2 launchers would be a requirement for a tengu wouldn't it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-01 16:38:50 UTC
You can run C3 sites in a Proteus. It takes a seriously pimp fit. It is not optimal. In theory a similar fit with the covert sub would work too, but it would be even less optimal.

Being covert is not going to save you from most gank attempts. Most times it is getting caught in site, which will be too late to cloak up. A cloak could save you trying to leave the WH (if you are leaving via an unsafe connection, aka not back to high sec). But in those cases you could just log off for awhile till they get bored and leave. (you do have a prober in system too right?).

A lower skilled Tengu will still likely be a better choice. Due to the HML range you can kite the sleepers more easily. Also since range is not a factor you can easily stay aligned to safes at all times, as you dont have to worry about burning into range etc. Both of these give you much better GTFO options.
Creepy Ambramotte
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#9 - 2013-07-01 16:58:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Creepy Ambramotte
Another prober , would be the noctics. But even with the mods the align time is 12 seconds on that bulky piece of crap and orca is way too expensive to bring as secondary.

Thats why i was worried about not having a probe launcher on the T3
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-07-01 17:07:03 UTC
Creepy Ambramotte wrote:
Another prober , would be the noctics. But even with the mods the align time is 12 seconds on that bulky piece of crap and orca is way too expensive to bring as secondary.

Thats why i was worried about not having a probe launcher on the T3


Alt in scanning frig with cloak. can be on the same account if needed, go in, warp to safe log out. Works well as a fail safe.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-07-01 19:03:10 UTC
Sentry Proteus works in C3s, but just use a Domi and save your ISKies. It's better than a HML Tengu as well.

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#12 - 2013-07-02 00:48:50 UTC
Creepy Ambramotte wrote:
Hey,

Been thinking about doing some solo stuff in a wh, i am terribly far away from actually doing it but id like to have it on paper before i even start.


People suggest Tengu to do solo C3 sleeper sites but i find that a slight problem . Most of the fits that i have found for tengu tend to not have a covert cloak or a probe launcher.



Welcome to the game called balance. CCP do not intend to let you run sleeper sites in safety. In fact, tech 3s are getting nerfed possibly in the next patch to make them less OP.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-07-02 01:24:19 UTC
Dont run sites in covops T3s. just dont.

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Ravay Kanjus
Infinity Blue
#14 - 2013-07-02 04:13:45 UTC
There's your problem. Don't bring a Noctis into a wormhole. Salvage with a Catalyst using the exact same fit you'd put on a Noctis. Cheap as hell and much more nimble.
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#15 - 2013-07-02 06:36:42 UTC
Cloaky Proteus is only good to solo ppl that solo c3 sites, but that also can be very attracktive when it comes to isk.
Creepy Ambramotte
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#16 - 2013-07-02 12:43:58 UTC
Since sentry domi was closer than any T3 i tried it out and the frigates ate my drones. They like drones more than null rats :/

Thanks for all the suggestions and opinions. Helped out alot , i guess i am back to the drawing board and starting to train for a tengu slowly.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-07-02 16:32:35 UTC
Proteus is the worst T3 to run sleeper sites. Just don't.

Train a drake for solo c2. Tengu for solo c3.

Don't ban me, bro!
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#18 - 2013-07-02 16:50:59 UTC
Creepy Ambramotte wrote:
Since sentry domi was closer than any T3 i tried it out and the frigates ate my drones. They like drones more than null rats :/



Fit some ewar and/or RR on your dominix to keep aggro.
Hiidaykin
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-07-02 18:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiidaykin
Definately a Tengu either with T2 HMLs or T2 HAMs. HAMs give significant dps boost but they require range rigs and more delicate managment. If you are realtively new to solo c3 go with HMLs to adapt and gain experience easier.You can always change to HAMs at a later time to test them. All i can say is that as far as dps goes HAMs make all the difference in how fast you can solo a c3, but it takes lots of practice.

Don't do anything inside a wormhole without an inderdiction nullifier.Even with your salvager.For that reason i suggest a Proteus or a Legion for a salvager.Proteus will give you more lows and Legion more highs.It really depends on your high slot requirments. I can efficiently salvage with 3 tractors and 2 salvagers so i chose the Proteus to get the more lows which help with cargo capacity or agility.Can't tell you how many times i have saved my salvager because it was a T3 with a cloak and an interdiction nullf.Thats what you pay for when you spend more isk for a T3.More safety and versatility.I wouldn't go salvage in a wh with a Noctis even if you paid me.

As someone said the covert ops wont actually save you most of the times except when you are using a womhole to go to either side.What will 95% of the times will save you though is always been aligned on something,either when you salvage either when you are fighting sleepers,in combination with frequent dscan and your interdiction nullfier.

The only exception would be if you have a POS and live inside a wh and only want to farm in system.In that case and with a bit focus you can get by without a T3.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#20 - 2013-07-03 14:59:29 UTC
OP: No.

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