Missions & Complexes

Or has it already happened?

I thought that the TE nerf was just the first shoe though. Is there a nerf to the hull bonuses also coming that would further reduce the damage projection?

What peers? Point to me a Mach out pvping so that every chump with a cane in the region can come over to gank it.

This is the "I can't reach these grapes, therefore it must be sour" syndrome. Nobody is willing to actually risk Mach in pvp, therefore everybody wants to nerf it. Same as the tengu that's supposed to be "crazy good" with 100mn ab. Buff me, nerf you.

Either way, it has no impact on game balancing, as Mach is more rare in the wild than Moas, for different reasons. As CCP put it, "Eve balance = pvp balance, we don't balance for pve combat." A Mach nerf is a mission runner nerf that achieves nothing. Drop a hull size lower to Cynnabal, and you're onto something.

Given the post location, I was referring to PvE.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Unless by "theoretical" he means that "poor damage projection" is a weakness in "theory" and not in fact, because last time I checked the Mach is dearly loved for two things (1) great speed; and (2) amazingly good damage projection. With 1200 arties and plasma this thing will lay down half of it's max DPS all the way out to 110km (after the TE nerf), which just blows away any other projectile bonused hull in the game.

I suggest CCP nerf the Mach by adding back the falloff it lost from the TE II nerf, adding more Drone bandwidth (5 sentries would be cool after all it is half Gallente) and then changing the skill requirements to Minmi BS-5 and Gallente BS-5. To complete this 'Nerf' they would suspend the policy of if you can fly it before you can fly it after. Thereby either making everyone either train the BS skills to 5 or sell their precious under skilled boat, causing a flood of Machs on the market lowering prices and making them not so painful to lose in PVP.

Trolling aside, it might actually work :)

This pls

The mach at this point needs to be left alone. As far as on field DPS it does have amazing volley strength but its ROF keeps its dps rather low when using 1200 or 1400 artillery. The TE nerf hit the 800 Mach quite hard actually as it lost nearly 15k fall off in a 2 TE build.

Also messing with its power grid would do much more damage than some think as now it takes nearly perfect skills in AWU, Projectile rigging and a +6% PG implant to fit it with T2 1400 artillery a MWD and a T2 dps rig. Even with perfect skills you are still required to run a power diagnostic system to make that fit. Meaning you either have to sacrifice a gyro (damage) or a TE (range/tracking/falloff) or a DC2 (Loss of tank)


The Mach only truly shines when you have a character with max skills / implants sitting at the helm but in that case any maxed skilled ship should do the same.

Your points literally lose any and all credibility when you start complaining about nerfs to anything pve related.

Sorry but regardless of how much a ship is used in pvp or how much its worth or whatever, ship balance is done around pvp. Everything else is secondary.

CCP doesn't do what it says it does, otherwise Nado wouldn't exist.

In all seriousness, Mach used to appear in real pvp once in a while before Nado existed. Nowdays, it's seen outside of gate snipe as much as Vindi is seen outside of stationgames. It essentially doesn't exist in real pvp. They should balance the omnipresent Nado before something nonexistant.