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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#201 - 2013-07-01 15:21:45 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:

And that would mean further: A trial against Bradley Manning is obsolete.

To be quite honest, I feel that Manning should not be prosecuted for several reasons (not the least of which being that the government demands it's right to privacy while shitting all over the right to privacy of civilians). That being said, it would require it's own damned thread, and this probably isn't the place for it.


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#202 - 2013-07-01 15:21:45 UTC
Setaceous wrote:
Consequences for actions are important. However, having said that, the consequence should really match the action.

^ This is the truth. He made an exceedingly stupid comment. Sadly, it's been taken out of context (as is often the case when exceedingly dumb things are said/done). Hopefully the jury is able to understand the context and realize that there was no motivation.

Having said that, dumb kid makes dumb comment, News at 11.

To Op, it would probably be more useful to post actual articles about the happening, instead of a video of "some guy" who's still angry about missing the last Judas Priest concert raging about the media getting people riled up about "stuff." News flash, the media got him riled up about stuff. "Mission Accomplished" says anonymous news anchor.

As for the Texas comment, meh, it's not a bad place to live. I've lived in worse places and better places. For those too young to have children, realize that these types of things are some of the pitfalls of having unaware and uneducated children. To those with children..... "don't be that guy" having to explain to the world why your kid appears to be some maniac (because context)....

I'm right behind you
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2013-07-01 15:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
War Kitten wrote:

Yes, abolish privacy laws. I'm sure that's what I was saying.

LOL,

J/K!


Then what exactly are you saying? Because so far, it looks like a whole lot of nothing, with some vague intent wrapped around it. What I am seeing from you is to always assume that anything you say can at some point become public and be used against you. If that's the case, then privacy laws that apply to communications are all but obsolete.

War Kitten wrote:

Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.

I concur. The whole military contract thing is the one aspect of it that I always fall back to as a stumbling point. That being said, I kind of feel like even someone in the military should follow their conscience if/when they know something immoral is going on. The whole "I was just following orders is not a valid excuse" thing.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#204 - 2013-07-01 15:27:04 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.



When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined



I concurr

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mascha Tzash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2013-07-01 15:27:15 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


...(researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII)...



Pretty sure you have some sort of likable evidence or reference. I would like to see it. Smile


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Scroll down and check for yourself.


May I suggest you reread it yourself.
It might happen that you end up in jail for approving of, denying or belittleing the genocide.

If you find evidence, that it wasn't this way, you are welcome to publish it.

He, who can read is in a clearly advanced position. Blink
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#206 - 2013-07-01 15:27:20 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
War Kitten wrote:

Yes, abolish privacy laws. I'm sure that's what I was saying.

LOL,

J/K!


Then what exactly are you saying? Because so far, it looks like a whole lot of nothing, with some vague intent wrapped around it. What I am seeing from you is to always assume that anything you say can at some point become public and be used against you. If that's the case, then privacy laws that apply to communications are all but obsolete.


You're pretty close. I *am* saying anything you say on the internet can become public and used against you.

Privacy laws are your defense after the fact. They're a bit like Concord after a gank in Eve in that sense.

By law, something may be private communication. Assuming it will actually remain private is naive.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#207 - 2013-07-01 15:29:31 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


...(researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII)...



Pretty sure you have some sort of likable evidence or reference. I would like to see it. Smile


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Scroll down and check for yourself.

I wonder why you are so hot about laws against holocaust denial. If it really was about history books, you would have had no problems sending those to Germany. Sending some moronic up neo-nazi stuff, that would cause problems.

I'd liken those laws to the laws and lawsuits against the scientific fraud, which have endangered people (anti-vaccination nutcases, Anil Potti case (settled out of court) and so forth).

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2013-07-01 15:30:10 UTC
Don't support surveillance of online communications, and certainly can't support the harshness of this sentence, but the rules are really quite simple, kids. I'll be telling my son this years before he goes online. Don't joke about:

a) Shooting up schools (police knock on your door).

b) Shooting up presidents (FBI knock on your door).

c) Shooting up yourself (firemen knock down your door).
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#209 - 2013-07-01 15:31:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.



When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined



I concurr


If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#210 - 2013-07-01 15:34:03 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.



When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined



I concurr


If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.



Recognised*


And though officially they don't, its easily arranged

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#211 - 2013-07-01 15:36:14 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Don't support surveillance of online communications, and certainly can't support the harshness of this sentence, but the rules are really quite simple, kids. I'll be telling my son this years before he goes online. Don't joke about:

a) Shooting up schools (police knock on your door).

b) Shooting up presidents (FBI knock on your door).

c) Shooting up yourself (firemen knock down your door).


You could just make it simpler by saying threatening someone with harm is not a good idea.
That goes along with never start a fight but make sure you finish it.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2013-07-01 15:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
War Kitten wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.



When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined



I concurr


If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.

See my previous comment about laws being our only guiding talisman. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right or wrong. I am sure I could point out plenty of examples on both sides of that statement that almost every sensible person could agree upon.

Edit: and no, I am not saying that the Mafia should be able to kneecap people who "snitch". In fact, I am saying that neither the Mafia nor the military nor the police should be allowed to. Unfortunately, most people seem to disagree with those last two.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#213 - 2013-07-01 15:39:24 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.



When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined



I concurr


If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.



Recognised*


And though officially they don't, its easily arranged


Recognized is correct as well. You forgot the apostrophe in "it's", however.


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#214 - 2013-07-01 15:40:54 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
never start a fight but make sure you finish it.


I cant believe you just waved that around in public



http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3625/helenlovejoy.jpg

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#215 - 2013-07-01 15:41:17 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.



When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined



I concurr


If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.



Recognised*


And though officially they don't, its easily arranged


Recognized is correct as well. You forgot the apostrophe in "it's", however.





I forgot, what's your excuse?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#216 - 2013-07-01 15:42:09 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:


Edit: and no, I am not saying that the Mafia should be able to kneecap people who "snitch". In fact, I am saying that neither the Mafia nor the military nor the police should be allowed to. Unfortunately, most people seem to disagree with those last two.



Kneecap? I don't recall anything about letting people off with a warning.


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#217 - 2013-07-01 15:44:05 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
never start a fight but make sure you finish it.


I cant believe you just waved that around in public

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3625/helenlovejoy.jpg


Why not there seems to be 2 schools of thought.
The one I listed or Turn the other cheek.
Parents appear to use one or the other.


EVERYBODY KNOWS
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#218 - 2013-07-01 15:45:46 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
never start a fight but make sure you finish it.


I cant believe you just waved that around in public

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3625/helenlovejoy.jpg


Why not there seems to be 2 schools of thought.
The one I listed or Turn the other cheek.
Parents appear to use one or the other.





There's smash their faces in before they even know they are your enemies

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2013-07-01 15:46:02 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

Why not there seems to be 2 schools of thought.
The one I listed or Turn the other cheek.
Parents appear to use one or the other.

Then there's school three: turn the other cheek, then in one fluid motion, wheel around into a sucker punch. ;)
Deborah Bat-Zeev
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2013-07-01 15:46:50 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
A German doesn't even see a quarter of the internet as their country will censor even on copyright issues. It's draconian there on copyright and ideas about hate crimes).


Pulling random figures from your ass is fun, hu? Some videos on Youtube are blocked because Youtube doesn't want to pay the license fee for displaying them (just like some videos are blocked in the US and other countries too for copyright/licensing reasons). Aside from that only child pornography and sometimes national-socialist content is getting blocked, and occasionally stuff is taken down because of libel sues and the like. There's no large scale internet censorship in Germany or the rest of the EU.

Ace Uoweme wrote:
You're not in the UK and Germany? Because those countries have even stricter online laws than the US. Couple kids in the UK are in jail for "hate crimes" as it is, too. In Germany mention things about ******, or even be a Holocaust denier, and you will face jail time (researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII). In the US you may get hounded for the views, but you are free to still express them.


Holocaust denial and openly promoting national-socialism is illegal in Germany, period. But in most cases you don't get sentenced to prison for it. You have to try really hard and be pretty active in the neonazi community to achieve that. Also, you don't get sent to prison for writing random bullshit in some chat, like that boy in Texas.