EVE New Citizens Q&A

So last night was the first time I ever got attacked by another player....I lost both of my destroyers, my exploration frigate, and got podded twice. (at least I got away with my pod once right?) But I got a few questions about why I lost and how he did some of the things he did... He was flying a frigate of some kind....I didn't see what kind because everything happened so fast....it was my first fight against a real person.

First of all, I was in 0.4 space and he was blinking yellow to me and when I clicked on his info it said he was WANTED. That means he has like a really low Security Status right? I have high securitiy status...mainly because I just started the game and I JUST finished the sisters of eve epic arc. So the police leave me alone. But why didn't they help me out? We were right outside a station and I even saw the warning flash across the screen when he opened fire on me. The one that says "(players name) you have violated blah blah blha) whatever it says...you know the one. But no one ever fired on him except for me.

So the first ship he killed me in was my Heron. I was just out probing and exploring. I had no cargo, no weapons, hardly anything at all. I was just heading to this station in this 0.4 system to pick up a skill book I had bought at the market. I figured I would get some exploring done on the way....( My first time exploring, too. And I found a couple of things that were worth 5 mill each on the market. That's good for the first time I think) But he bascially just killed me for no reason. Which is fine and all, I am just saying. I was no threat and had nothing of value. Luckily I somehow manage to be quick enough to warp my pod out of there quick like.

But naturally I got pissed, so I grabbed my destroyer. I got in my Commerant. Decked out in Railguns and a pretty decent shield tank and all that. You know, it probably wasn't the best, but I got decent compliments from the few people I showed it to. So it wasn't bad. It had a Medium shield extender on it, so thats good. Anyway, I warped in and wasn't thinking or anything. I didn't try to play my range advantage. I blasted him good once or twice, but then he got right up on me....like 1000 meters and that efffectivly made my railguns usless. He had me stasised and warp scrambled so there was no escape. Still, I almost had him. I got his Shields down before he closed the distance with me and I got maybe a third of his armor down. BUt needless to say he killed me. Then he podded me.

So NOW I am really pissed. I sit at teh station where my clone is and think for a second. "I need a plan" I says to myself. "I almost had him flying in like a moron. If I am just a little bit smart, I can take this guy no problem." So I grab my Corax. I think I like missles more than guns anyway, so I think to myself "I gots this." I get ready to warp to the station where the guy and my two wrecks are. Except this time, I try to use a little strategy . keep in mind....this is my first fight. Don't forget that because it is important----that is why I am asking for advice---obviously I don't know what I am doing. Anyway, this time I try to use my advantages against him. I warp to within 30 km so that I can hit him with my missles, but he can't do anything to me. Clearly he is using blasters right? That's why he keeps getting right up on me....right? So I warp in...30 km from the station. My missles can go something like 43 km. But this guy is like 20 or 30 km BEHIND the station. Which makes him like 70km away from me. not only can I not hit him with my missles yet, I can't even get a lock. In my haste, I also forgot to put an afterburner or MWD on..so I am super slow. "CRAP!!!' I think to myself. So I slowly try to close the distance. He is just sitting there...I don't know if he is sizing me up or scanning me or what. But he warps away. I think to myself, "yeah...I had him. He knew it so he bailed." So I approach one of my wrecks....I want whats left of my stuff back. As I was heading towards one of my wrecks, I noticed that he only warped to 183km away. Then all of a sudden, he warps back in...like below and to the right of me. He is only like 15 or 20km away from me and for some reason I can't lock on to him. It wouldn't let me lock on to him until AFTER he locked on to me. By then, he was almost right on top of me. I couldn't run, so I just tried to fight. I seem to be better with missles, and I ALMOST had him agani. This time I got his shields and armor completely down.....but natuarlly he killed me. THen he podded me. Then it was late and I said "EFFF it. I am going to sleep."

So here are my questions:

1--why didn't the police or Concord help me? Not even a freaking sentry gun or nothing.

2--How did warp to 183km away from me? Basically in the middle of nowhere. How did he do that? Why would he do that? Is this a common strategy? If so, I need to learn it

3--What could I have done differently? I tend to lean towards long range combat. My philosophy is to attack them at a distance and keep them from hitting me as opposed to just trading punch for punch right up close with each other. So what could I have done? My web Stasis was usless because it only works at 10km. I didn't have a scrambler on, but that only keeps them from using their warp and MWD right? He can still use afterburner and most people USE afterburners...right?

As for what killed you:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18509179
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18509177
Blaster-fit Incursus.

Common fitting mistake on that Cormorant. Don't dual-tank. You had a shield extender and an armour repairer. One or the other, you shield tank or you armour tank, not both.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20003567

Seems you diagnosed this fairly well. He was using blasters, the thing to do is to keep him at range.

The reason you couldn't lock him is because he was still warping in, warping out, docking, or undocking... there's a slight invuln timer during each of those periods as you arrive on the grid.

Digging a bit deeper into this guys´ killboard, it seems you crossed blades with an absolute pro who knows what he is doing. Lots of experience both with 1v1 and his ship and knowing that system better than the top of his mouth.
Also assume both his relevant skills completely maxed out and the best (combat) implants money can buy. Possibly an OGB as well.

In short, you were unlucky enough to fight someone who is on the very top of the Eve foodchain...


Edit: Hell, that man went on and killed a battlecruiser with his Incursus an hour later, awesome!

One thing to note on this. A common PVP practice is to leave wrecks so they can be warped too later on. More than likely he bookmarked his current location - warped to a moon - warped back to his boommark from 100km away - then warped to the wreck.

You are able to warp to Sqaud mates and/or celestrials from 150km away. So if there is a wreck by you (like you said you were going too) he merely just warped to the wreck to attack you. :)

Things you could of done:

Fit a better tank - First time he attacked you - find out what he was using to shoot you with. Looks like he used Blasters so i would of built up a resistance towards Kenetic and thermal :). This would lower the amount of damage he does. Also for PVP i prefer to build a buffer shield tank. So put a couple of shield extenders on and maybe 1 thermal and 1 kenetic hardener. and a AB.

never dual tank - it's pointless.

now he was using a frigate.. so i would of just beat him at his own game. You know he has to get up close to deal damage but you have the advantage of a bigger tank AND more guns in a cruiser or destroyer so i would of fitted blasters myself :)

GJ on the attitude though by not raging but rather coming to the forums and asking questions. You will be a pvp pro soon :)

Sweet. At least it looks like I ALMOST killed a pro my first time out. I KNEW I should have just eaten my losses with that Heron....but no one has ever attacked me before. I had to stand up for myself.

He was evil too...at first I made it into the dock before he could attack me and I unloaded all my cargo from the relic and data sites I had looted. THen I went back out and it looked like he wasn't going to attack. I waited and figured he scanned me and saw I was harmless. So I launched my probes because I was going to go probing in teh system. THen he killed me.

At least I wasn't the only victim last night. And it's good to know that I am on the right track as far as tactics and such. I have enough frigates in stock and enough money to at least keep going and make some MORE money.

AND I FORGOT ABOUT THOSE DAMN IMPLANTS. I lost all those didn't I. Damn things were expensive. BAH. I got one in some dock somewhere at least. Now I only need four more.

Real quick...since I am going to be flying frigs for a bit.....What is the difference between a Kestrel and a Condor? They are both missle boats right? SO what's the difference?

And do people even really use Destroyers? Because I have my cruiser skills built up a little bit....I WAS going to buy one in the next day or two but now I need to make a little money first. If I had had a cruiser with Heavy Assault missles....would I even had been able to hit that Frigate?

He attacked me first all three times as well, so I shouldn't have lost any security status or none of that right? I should still be welcome in all high sec places........right?

A Neut is an Energy Neutralizer, which kills off their Capacitor. A variant on them are Energy Vampires, which drain the Capacitor to your ship.

A TP is an Target Painter, which increases the Signature Radius of a ship, making them easier to hit.

Edit; Being Wanted means players put a bounty on him, not that he has a low Security Status.

Target painters are pretty specialized and not going to be something you see on a lot of ships. Neuts are mostly used on cruiser+ sized ships that have utility hislots (utility being a slot that cannot be used for the ship's primary weapon system).



If he attacked you in the last 15 minutes then you can engage him no matter what. Other circumstances you can engage him in are if he's a suspect (skull) or if he has a security status below -5 (red background).

You might be interested in http://failheap-challenge.com/forumdisplay.php?15-Ship-Setup-Hangar

Start with the stickies.


A big problem with Battleclinic is that few people know what they are doing. Sure, you can create a high DPS/strong Tank ship by "EFT warrioring", but they might be useless in practice.