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Teenage gamer may go to prison for 8 years.

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ShipToaster
#161 - 2013-07-01 13:49:14 UTC
The whole concept of mens rea, or more accurately its replacement in the USA, seems to be ignored in America now.

Was looking at some of the crimes I could do in the UK and get less than eight years, based on newspaper reports: arson, murder, ****, drunk driving with killing four people, and all sorts of other serious stuff will get me less time. Bank robbery still likely to get you more than eight years.

Kult Altol wrote:
Quote:
No respect for other countries????

It's hard to respect a country that claims to be:
"the best country in the world",
"the country of freedom",
a country of immigrants but that hate immigrants;
a country that bases their economy in starting wars against other countries...
Should I continue?

And and a funny one: a country where a vid of nudity (barely a nipple) is banned but a vid of a body being shot with a shotgun is ok.

PLEASE SHUT UP...


edit:You are entitled to your opinon no matter how wrong and misguided it is. Big smile

and yes, we'll just wait nice and patient like for North Korea and Iran to relinquish their nuclear arsenal out of good will. I hope your children love their new supreme leader.


I am much more afraid of America than I am of Iran or North Korea, or whoever is America's number one enemy at the moment. Are Iran and North Korea not entitled to defend themselves against the most aggressive tyrant state in the world? Hope to **** the UK and our EU allies have plans to defend me against the USA.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#162 - 2013-07-01 13:50:58 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
there was uproar because the xbox kinect thing "watches" you..


I had to execute a Furby once because it was watching me

Of course, like any right minded indiviudal, I subjected it to Stalinist Justice





I put it in the freezer for 5 months, then took it out and tortured it until it agreed to sign its own confession (which of course I supplied it with as it no longer had even a sembelence of limbs)



Then I invited everyone in the State to come and view its show trial


Only after it pled Guilty to its crimes did I finally sentence it to be taken from that place and be bludgeoned to death with a claw hammer



Later, it turned out that it wasnt a Furby but a cat, by that time the Furby had defected to next door

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jove Angel
Doomheim
#163 - 2013-07-01 13:54:52 UTC
Bit Sad Sad

But who cares CCP are in iceland and they actually dont give a crap cos Iceland has there own courts and rules Big smile

And then it happened. Massive, eerily green blasts erupted from seemingly nowhere, and an Amarrian Apocalypse went up in flames.  "It was a Jovian Mother ship".
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#164 - 2013-07-01 13:57:33 UTC

Linna Baresi wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
This is an absolute joke of a court case.

EVE online better watch out because alot of us are always posting similar sh*t in local or somewhere. Apparently sarcasm is dead to the world now.

What's your verdict on sarcasm in EVE people?

EDIT: If you don't want to watch the youtube vid, links to the news article are in the description. I just find AlphaOmegaSin's reaction brilliant, and it pretty much mirrors my own view on the topic.


I feel sorry for the kid, but it was bound to happen eventually, especially when people who watch in from the outside get involved. Stuff that's taken out of context, combined with not understanding gamer lingo, can lead to some pretty odd conclusions. And there is a LOT of prejudice about games and gamers to start with. Apparently we're all psychos who are rehearsing in game what we'd like to perpetrate in real life*... or so some media would have you believe. I'm pretty sure actual research shows gamers are LESS likely to have RL violent tendencies, but hey, who cares about facts when there's nicely bloodcurdling urban legends to be had...

* so OK, I know this gaming lawyer who's THE worst in game price gouger you'll ever see, but let's call him an exception. Besides, his only contribution to violence is making his customers want to commit it.


I agree here far to much prejudice about gaming and the like. Thing is the majority of gamers, contrary to popular belief by the 'normal' community, can distinguish between real life and fantasy, as you probably very well know. It has gotten to the point where the 'normal' community (thanks to the media I guess?) have put us all in the same category.



Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:

Innocent but has been incarcerated for months while his date of his trial was to be decided and come around. Everyone at some point has said something sarcastically that they shouldn't have...

And yeah he's finding out today if he gets a jail sentance. Personally I hope not because if it carries on, it will eventually bring about stricter laws and monitering of games. Look at all the sensorship laws at the minute, there was uproar because the xbox kinect thing "watches" you. Imagine what will happen if thing like this carry on.

Therein lies the problem. Most people don't see a problem with this kind of thing. "It's for your own good" is being lapped up by useful idiots (pardon the Leninist phrasing) left and right. I once thought it was strange, but now it's getting downright pathetic.


This. It is such that its now the normal to say oh well its your own fault time to be punished. Problem is, yes while this guy clearly did something to offend someone, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. And it's getting more and more of a regular occurance.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-07-01 13:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Hessian Arcturus wrote:


Innocent but has been incarcerated for months while his date of his trial was to be decided and come around. Everyone at some point has said something sarcastically that they shouldn't have...

And yeah he's finding out today if he gets a jail sentance. Personally I hope not because if it carries on, it will eventually bring about stricter laws and monitering of games. Look at all the sensorship laws at the minute, there was uproar because the xbox kinect thing "watches" you. Imagine what will happen if thing like this carry on.


This was a case of players monitoring other players.
OR perhaps this was a case of a mother monitoring a 9 year old playing a game.
Perhaps the guys comments upset this 9 year old which prompted the mother to act.
There might be a lot more to this then a simple joke.

Did your ever get into trouble for swearing as a kid or did you ever get into trouble for saying the wrong thing to your parents ?
If you did those where supposed to be a lesson about thinking before you open your mouth.
Obviously this kid did not get the lesson.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2013-07-01 14:04:01 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
This was a case of players monitoring other players.
OR perhaps this was a case of a mother monitoring a 9 year old playing a game.
Perhaps the guys comments upset this 9 year old which prompted the mother to act.
There might be a lot more to this then a simple joke.

Did you ever get into trouble for swearing as a kid or did you ever get into trouble for saying the wrong thing to your parents ?
If you did those where supposed to be a lesson about thinking before you open your mouth.
Obviously this kid did not get the lesson.

The fact is that we are surrounded by morbid humor on a constant basis. It's been that way for a very long time, and the internet has only fueled such. I mean, ffs, do you remember the "you give love a bat name" meme that was going around after the theater shooting in Colorado? No one ever gets punished for black humor, so why would anyone think that their joke is but so far out of the ordinary?

Was it in bad taste? Sure. But if jokes in bad taste were a criminal offense, I could think of a whooooole lot of people who should be in prison right now.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2013-07-01 14:09:24 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:


Innocent but has been incarcerated for months while his date of his trial was to be decided and come around. Everyone at some point has said something sarcastically that they shouldn't have...

And yeah he's finding out today if he gets a jail sentance. Personally I hope not because if it carries on, it will eventually bring about stricter laws and monitering of games. Look at all the sensorship laws at the minute, there was uproar because the xbox kinect thing "watches" you. Imagine what will happen if thing like this carry on.


This was a case of players monitoring other players.
OR perhaps this was a case of a mother monitoring a 9 year old playing a game.
Perhaps the guys comments upset this 9 year old which prompted the mother to act.
There might be a lot more to this then a simple joke.

Did your ever get into trouble for swearing as a kid or did you ever get into trouble for saying the wrong thing to your parents ?
If you did those where supposed to be a lesson about thinking before you open your mouth.
Obviously this kid did not get the lesson.


My mother is descended from the Spartans. My brother and I got punched in the face by her when we said anything disrespectful or out-of-line. I'm going to let you know that Spartan women don't hit like girls. They hit like f**king Mohammed Ali.

Result: how many times have you ever seen me make "get back in the kitchen" jokes? If you guessed "never", you'd be correct.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-07-01 14:10:29 UTC
The US is imploding on itself.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2013-07-01 14:12:01 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

Last as other have stated the guy is NOT serving a 8 year sentence he is awaiting trial, nothing more.
He is still innocent as it stands right now.



True, but the justice system being what it is in the US, the kid could end up sitting in jail for years while technically innocent.

Jails are huge buildings where hundreds or even thousands of technically innocent people spend their time waiting for trial. Many of those people are stuck there because the system is too clogged up or somehow obstructed for the case to go to court. It's just as good as being in prison. Same thing for the tax-payers, same thing for the person who's locked up.

The fact that you're considered innocent in the eyes of the law is little consolation when you're confined to a cell with no idea when you might be getting out.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#170 - 2013-07-01 14:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
This was a case of players monitoring other players.
OR perhaps this was a case of a mother monitoring a 9 year old playing a game.
Perhaps the guys comments upset this 9 year old which prompted the mother to act.
There might be a lot more to this then a simple joke.

Did you ever get into trouble for swearing as a kid or did you ever get into trouble for saying the wrong thing to your parents ?
If you did those where supposed to be a lesson about thinking before you open your mouth.
Obviously this kid did not get the lesson.

The fact is that we are surrounded by morbid humor on a constant basis. It's been that way for a very long time, and the internet has only fueled such. I mean, ffs, do you remember the "you give love a bat name" meme that was going around after the theater shooting in Colorado? No one ever gets punished for black humor, so why would anyone think that their joke is but so far out of the ordinary?

Was it in bad taste? Sure. But if jokes in bad taste were a criminal offense, I could think of a whooooole lot of people who should be in prison right now.



Maybe but joke are tailored to an audience.
You don't make certain jokes when children are present.
You don't make racial jokes where you might get your ass kicked.
The internet and internet games are a party line you don't know who is listening.
How many corps in EVE are adult only, there is a reason for this.
I forgot how many times we had to watch what we said in vent cause someone stated there kid was in the room.
Not a problem and we thanked them for letting us know.
This is not a hard concept to grasp or has courtesy gone out the window.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#171 - 2013-07-01 14:12:28 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
The US is imploding on itself.



That's due to obesity

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#172 - 2013-07-01 14:15:34 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Simetraz wrote:

Last as other have stated the guy is NOT serving a 8 year sentence he is awaiting trial, nothing more.
He is still innocent as it stands right now.



True, but the justice system being what it is in the US, the kid could end up sitting in jail for years while technically innocent.

Jails are huge buildings where hundreds or even thousands of technically innocent people spend their time waiting for trial. Many of those people are stuck there because the system is too clogged up or somehow obstructed for the case to go to court. It's just as good as being in prison. Same thing for the tax-payers, same thing for the person who's locked up.

The fact that you're considered innocent in the eyes of the law is little consolation when you're confined to a cell with no idea when you might be getting out.


I won't argue the system of speedy justice is well defunct and needs to be fixed.
I seriously doubt this kid is a flight risk so he should be out on bail by now, makes me wonder what is going on there with that.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#173 - 2013-07-01 14:15:48 UTC
Simetraz wrote:


You don't make certain jokes when children are present.
You don't make racial jokes where you might bet your ass kicked.
The internet and internet games are a party line you don't know is listening.
How many corps in EVE are adult only, there is a reason for this.
I forgot how many times we had to what what we said in vent cause someone stated there kid was in the room.
.



1 Yes I do. They dont understand them so it has no effect

2 I dont make racial jokes. I state racist facts like "Elephants are better than people"

3 I dont care who is listening. If they get upset, thats funny to me

4 None Ive met so far, childish TEST icicles in most of them

5 If people have a problem with what their kids hear, they should be better parents

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2013-07-01 14:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
Simetraz wrote:


Maybe but joke are tailored to an audience.
You don't make certain jokes when children are present.\
You don't make racial jokes where you might bet your ass kicked.
The internet and internet games are a party line you don't know is listening.
How many corps in EVE are adult only, there is a reason for this.
I forgot how many times we had to what what we said in vent cause someone stated there kid was in the room.
Not a problem and we thanked them for letting us know.
This is not a hard concept to grasp or has courtesy gone out the window.

That's the other issue with the internet anonymity thing. You don't know who YOU are talking to when you say things. If you did, pedobears would never get caught up by FBI agents. Did that guy know his joke was aimed at a very young person? I have no idea, but I am willing to bet not. I have found that in online video games, people are often rather shocked at the age spread of those they play with when/if they find out. I've played games with people as young as 8 (kid was a damned good enhancement shaman too) and guys as old as their 70s (most of those have actually been in Eve). Do you always ask the stats of a person you are talking to before making a joke? If so, you're probably known as the corp/guild creeper.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-07-01 14:22:02 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Simetraz wrote:


Maybe but joke are tailored to an audience.
You don't make certain jokes when children are present.\
You don't make racial jokes where you might bet your ass kicked.
The internet and internet games are a party line you don't know is listening.
How many corps in EVE are adult only, there is a reason for this.
I forgot how many times we had to what what we said in vent cause someone stated there kid was in the room.
Not a problem and we thanked them for letting us know.
This is not a hard concept to grasp or has courtesy gone out the window.

That's the other issue with the internet anonymity thing. You don't know who YOU are talking to when you say things. If you did, pedobears would never get caught up by FBI agents. Did that guy know his joke was aimed at a very young person? I have no idea, but I am willing to bet not. I have found that in online video games, people are often rather shocked at the age spread of those they play with when/if they find out. I've played games with people as young as 8 (kid was a damned good enhancement shaman too) and guys as old as their 70s (most of those have actually been in Eve). Do you always ask the stats of a person you are talking to before making a joke? If so, you're probably known as the corp/guild creeper.


That is right you don't know who is listening so you watch what you say.
Just like you do at work or in front of a cop or sometimes in public.
I may be sitting at home right now in private, but this discussion is VERY public.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#176 - 2013-07-01 14:30:52 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
The US is imploding on itself.



That's due to obesity


...and the idiot phones that turn people in zombies.



Remember countrymen, only stupid people need smart phones.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#177 - 2013-07-01 14:34:23 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
The US is imploding on itself.



That's due to obesity


...and the idiot phones that turn people in zombies.



Remember countrymen, only stupid people need smart phones.




Every home should also have an Audrey II

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#178 - 2013-07-01 14:35:19 UTC
well if that kid does get eight years then this bloody ****** should get life Twisted
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2013-07-01 14:35:31 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

That is right you don't know who is listening so you watch what you say.
Just like you do at work or in front of a cop or sometimes in public.
I may be sitting at home right now in private, but this discussion is VERY public.


You are correct, and that is both a blessing and a curse. All I can do is speak out in hopes of lightening the curse aspect. I feel the way I do, because I have been where that guy is right now, just without the jail aspect. Some people don't know how to take sadistic humor, and that has caused me more than one problem. Do some people dislike me for the things I say? I'm sure they do. Does that really affect me? Not at all. However, as soon as I have police kicking in my door over a joke that put no one in direct harm's way (unlike where the smartass pointed out the "fire" in an airport example earlier, as that causes panic, and panicked people are much like panicked cattle), then something has gone very wrong in someone mind, and it isn't my own.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2013-07-01 14:45:48 UTC
Kerdrak wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Kerdrak wrote:
MURRICA?

I'm not surprised.



Yes, cause I'm sure the countries all you people are soap boxing about are perfect. People these days have no respect for other countries. Your total lack of respect or honor is evident when you call a country like the US, 'Murica.




Do you honestly think he's going to get 8 years? He's not. Stop being over dramatic.



No respect for other countries???? Shocked

It's hard to respect a country that claims to be:
Arrow"the best country in the world",
Arrow"the country of freedom",
Arrowa country of immigrants but that hate immigrants;
Arrowa country that bases their economy in starting wars against other countries...
Should I continue?

And and a funny one: a country where a vid of nudity (barely a nipple) is banned but a vid of a body being shot with a shotgun is ok.

PLEASE SHUT UP...


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