EVE General Discussion

Sure they can. One of the may reasons they don't is because they don't want to. Another is that there is no reason to.

How the hell do people stand playing at 8 FPS anyway?

The logoff timer can be reset if he's been given the 15 minute capsuleer aggression timer, by simply re-aggressing him. This was explicitly made this way to counteract super-caps logging off, and is fully intended.

In most circumstances, them logging off helps us; it puts them 1mil clicks away from the gate-grid and scavengers rarely work out where it's gone and we're left to it.

For what? Having a different opinion? He might be annoying, but I'm reasonably sure he's not trolling. I mean if I started spouting off about WoW in every post I would definitely be trolling

Not to sound like a dicky but with all the ganks the goons are doing AND HAVE BEEN DOING FOR MONTHS NOW....!!!NEWS FLASH!!!!

why would you carry 5 billion + around?

Why for the love of isk would you not have one of those alts scouting ahead for goons you may get lucky.

Why do you not have corporation protection escorting you?

Why not have a repping alt rep you so it cost them more then the 100 mil it cost to fit those destroyer.

And lastly I do believe that a criminal flag should cost 30 min or atleast Concord pod killing ganker so atleast there's some kind of consequence cause losing their ship means nothing and goons just farm tags all day long so there's no consequence there, maybe costing them the price of replacing a clone will be some of the cost associated with ganking.

Actually bumping could be flagged. There was a game I played a while ago if you bumped into NPCs repeatedly over a small period of time they went aggressive. Of course players would just take turns to bump.

LOL all of this finger pointing , semantic arguments and veiled collalarry about how one person or another would have things work in a perfect world....


What would be some good steps for a pilot of a freighter to take if he began to get bumped off gate.

The logging off seems like a bad idea.

Should he align to some other gate or station instead?


I'm also unclear.. if he does nothing, when he eventually gets attacked concord will kill the attackers even if the attackers kill him first .. right?

Does the bumping just give more time to bring in more firepower from other systems to make sure the job gets done?

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I don't have any veiled "right or wrong" opinion on the thing. I'd just like to increase my odds of survival if I get targeted in a freighter but don't immediately get attacked.

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corollary questions... would it be easier to deal with the bumping if i were in an Orca ? (yeah its significantly smaller but that's not my question... I just am curious if i should used the Orca instead of the Freighter if I can fit everything in say two orca trips... i 'd like a better idea of the relative risk I'd need to account for in making the decision.)

The bumping serves two purposes.

The most important one is that it creates a controlled environment where the gankers can delay and monitor the CONCORD response. You shoot the target once as he exits gate cloak to give him a PvP timer, which ensures that the ship will stay in space for another 15 minutes, no matter what, so logging off no longer saves the victim. This is obviously a criminal act so CONCORD shows up and kills the flagging alt. To counter this, you take advantage of the 15 minute timer to use a neutral alt (or two) to bump the victim at last 150km away from where CONCORD is sitting. The bumping both ensures that the victim can't just warp off willy-nilly, and that the victim is out of reach from immediate CONCORD response.

Being this far away causes the CONCORD mechanics to consider the target (and, more importantly, the awaiting gankers) “out of range” for the purpose of responding to their actions, which in turn yields the same effect as delaying CONCORD by spawning them somewhere else in the system. When responding to a crime that's this far away, the CONCORD ships first have to despawn from the first crime scene before they can show up at a new one, which delays the response by half a dozen seconds or so. You sacrifice the loss of a newbship with civvy guns for being able to execute the gank with maybe 20–50% fewer actual attack ships. You can also keep a close eye on CONCORD while doing all of this, which means you have more control over the timers.

The second benefit is that the gank now happens maybe 200km off the gate, rather than 15km away from it. As a result, loot thieves will not get as much of a chance to get to the goods, and white knights stand less of a chance counter-killing the looting ships (which will go suspect in the process). If it's a freighter gank, you're likely to need a freighter to loot the wreck, and you definitely want to keep those away from the normal traffic lanes when they go blinky.

Yeah push that and it's easier to see the client hack he's using...

I personally think bumping mechanic was designed for different purpose than ganking freighters or bumping scrubs of a station they play in(very useful btw).

I watched many times freight/orca get bumped to oblivion just for fun of some ppl passing by... to me it looked like harassment right there from that pilot perspective at least and fun from those scrubs perspective.

Now in this non ganking scenario pilot is simply trying to warp of while bunch of dudes are preventing him to do that by numbers and no risk to them using collision mechanic(that is straight out insult to any space simulation) as a way to accomplish what they want.

Exploit? of course it is hard to fix i assume

Also if CCP isn't doing anything about it it doesn't mean it isn't exploit ,and is it "broken" gameplay is only one of factors included in decision.

So yeah tough luck freighters are game liked it or not rightly or not.