EVE General Discussion

The rules are there to ALLOW this behaviour to happen; you're still looking at ways of enforcing YOUR view on the rules.

SMA in "can't read the thread" shocker

But people are actually very good at abusing them if it helps their own cause. Such a system would probably be dissected, abused and used for stuff it wasn't intended to do within hours. I don't care if computers are more consistent in judgement, they are simply to easy to manipulate to be of any use if it comes to decisions.

He was aggressed.

Like PI even?

The Jita system is unlike any other in EvE in what can be done in it. That's why it's special. Anything special can't be equal.



Read it. An exploit is something not designed by the devs, but players discovered and using to their advantage. This exploit isn't fixed because it's tied to physics itself (and they'll have to fix the ships bumping gates). But that doesn't mean it's right to do.

In WoW if you don't know if the exploit is valid or not, you risk losing your account. Yeah, people ask first in WoW because losing a 5+ year account to one mistake hurts. Those guys who found an exploit in archaeology using a certain addon, about 30,000 got permanent ban notices. CCP is real kind, other games are not.

You can state exploit all day long. The only time in Eve something can be deemed an exploit, is when CCP do so. The point being the term 'exploit' has a very defined meaning in this game.

They have ruled on this. It's nothing new. Get over it.

Whoa, :4 minute after posting replies now...back-to-back?

Of course they do. Every part of them, in fact.

There is no Mystic Exploit Council that determine the universal standard for what counts in an exploit across all games everywhere — just individual devs and GMs that set up the policies for their specific game.

No. This is a well-know, well-established, and intentional mechanic that some guys come out of the woodwork to incorrectly label as an exploit in spite of the simple fact that the devs (the only ones who matter when it comes to defining what is and what isn't an exploit) have clearly and conclusively stated that it isn't one. We're simply pointing out that you are factually wrong, and no amount of feet-stomping on your part will change this.

By that standard then then these other "exploits" should be stopped too as they were never intentional and some still exist in a sort of grey/limbo area (which ironically, bumping does not). Some are simply "not right" depending on which perspective you have.


- Web-to-warp trick : as soon as a large ship starts to go into warp, web it. It will go into warp almost immediately.

- Cloak-MWD trick : used on larger ships, you activate the cloak and MWD at the same time and as soon as the MWD cycle ends, drop cloak. You will insta-warp.

- Multi-boxing fleets : self explanatory.

- Using drones/space junk to decloak ships in bubbles : cloaks deactivate when the ship they are fitted to is within 2000 meters of another object. Litter enough objects in a drag bubble (but not enough to cause lag) and you will catch almost everything that gets sucked in.

- Grid-fu : you can expand or move the size of the space grid by anchoring cans in specific places at the right distances. This allows you to play some really nasty skirmishing tricks (one moment you are on grid, next you are not) which makes snipers **** and rage.

- Jetcan mining : self explanatory. It was never intentional (the CEO of CCP can tell you himself ). It just happened (even with haulers being available at the time). Nothing was ever done to get rid of it.

- Fleet-gank : fleet up a random neutral in system, warp to them, and gank them. It's an abuse of the fleet system as it was intended to be. Then again, you shouldn't get into a "car" with someone you don't know.

- AFK-cloaking : get into any cloaking-specialized ship, find a populated 0.0 system, and sit in it cloaked 23 hours a day for as long as you want. Definitely not intentional as far as mechanics are concerned... but one that is in response to the next non-intended action...

- Local intel : using Local as an intel source to avoid conflict was not the intention of the DEVs. It was just supposed to be a chat channel so that people wouldn't get lonely in the blackness of space.

…and CCP chose to skip that one and roll their own, where player-discovered quirks of the mechanics that they can use to their own benefit don't qualify unless they do something the devs don't like.

So no. It is not an exploit. And no, there is no objective, game-independent definition because each game chooses its own rules.