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Requesting a fit for C3

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#21 - 2013-06-15 12:50:41 UTC
If you're going to use a Rattler I strongly suggest running a cap booster setup, a cap booster Rattler can easily tank C3s while dishing out 1k dps with a not too expensive fit. If you want cap stable use a Tengu.
Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#22 - 2013-06-15 17:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Imustbecomfused
Ive seen a setup that can solo c5 combat anoms. C3 and c4 sites can be solo'd. Ive attempted with a tengu and a sleipnir c4 solo, but that is a lil hairy being they use heavy cap warfare. C3 sites can easily be solo'd if you have what you need. tank, cap, and dps.
Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#23 - 2013-06-26 08:16:55 UTC
Imustbecomfused wrote:
Ive seen a setup that can solo c5 combat anoms. .


Gimme this subcap setup or it doesn't exist :)


Imustbecomfused wrote:
C3 sites can easily be solo'd if you have what you need. tank, cap, and dps


You can't have all of these things in one. You an have enormous tank but it can be neuted and dps will be just decent.
If you go for dps, you will risk tank/cap stability.
I'm no C5 vet, not at all but i'm pretty sure 1 single subcap will be massacred there, every damn time.



Another thing... you can solo C3s in Drake. But its far from optimal thing..

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1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#24 - 2013-06-29 10:11:18 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
1c3crysta1 wrote:
You can't solo them, but a great way to use Rattlesnakes is to fill the high slots with cap transfer arrays and remote shield reps (except for 1 or 2 drone link augs) and use drones for damage. In other words, spider-tanking.


Are you seriously trying to suggest C3 anoms cannot be run solo?


Nope, I'm saying that spider-repping Rattlesnakes can't.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#25 - 2013-06-29 13:08:20 UTC
Manes Avatarr wrote:
Imustbecomfused wrote:
Ive seen a setup that can solo c5 combat anoms. .


Gimme this subcap setup or it doesn't exist :)


Imustbecomfused wrote:
C3 sites can easily be solo'd if you have what you need. tank, cap, and dps


You can't have all of these things in one. You an have enormous tank but it can be neuted and dps will be just decent.
If you go for dps, you will risk tank/cap stability.
I'm no C5 vet, not at all but i'm pretty sure 1 single subcap will be massacred there, every damn time.



Another thing... you can solo C3s in Drake. But its far from optimal thing..



Nightmare can solo C5 anoms. You wont get cap escalation obviously.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#26 - 2013-06-29 15:30:28 UTC
so can a vargur
Bleedingthrough
#27 - 2013-06-30 04:02:43 UTC
Deshrial Sculpin wrote:
can not have looked to hard this I grabbed this one a while ago and run a modified version of it... the one I run has around 1400 defense in EFT and solos c4s.... C4 Tengu


Fits like this make me angry! They lack any imagination and do a **** poor job for the price tag. Do not fly this expensive pile of ****!

Hint for reasonable solo tengu fits:
- 5 launchers make your cap happy
- Large Pith SBs are cheap ~200mil
- 3 dmg mods (or more)
- 4 tank mods will do (EM, Invul, SBA, SB)
- 100nm AB (~200mil) will mitigate most incoming DPS. This is serioulsy OP and if you fly right you rarely ever need to run your SB at all even in c4s.
- you will soon notice, you don’t need all these cap rigs and tank mods and can replace it with something useful, e.g. rigs that help with applying dps.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#28 - 2013-06-30 12:26:42 UTC
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Deshrial Sculpin wrote:
can not have looked to hard this I grabbed this one a while ago and run a modified version of it... the one I run has around 1400 defense in EFT and solos c4s.... C4 Tengu


Fits like this make me angry! They lack any imagination and do a **** poor job for the price tag. Do not fly this expensive pile of ****!

Hint for reasonable solo tengu fits:
- 5 launchers make your cap happy
- Large Pith SBs are cheap ~200mil
- 3 dmg mods (or more)
- 4 tank mods will do (EM, Invul, SBA, SB)
- 100nm AB (~200mil) will mitigate most incoming DPS. This is serioulsy OP and if you fly right you rarely ever need to run your SB at all even in c4s.
- you will soon notice, you don’t need all these cap rigs and tank mods and can replace it with something useful, e.g. rigs that help with applying dps.


How does a 100mn AB help vs 6 sleeper webs?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-30 14:15:46 UTC
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Deshrial Sculpin wrote:
can not have looked to hard this I grabbed this one a while ago and run a modified version of it... the one I run has around 1400 defense in EFT and solos c4s.... C4 Tengu


Fits like this make me angry! They lack any imagination and do a **** poor job for the price tag. Do not fly this expensive pile of ****!

Hint for reasonable solo tengu fits:
- 5 launchers make your cap happy
- Large Pith SBs are cheap ~200mil
- 3 dmg mods (or more)
- 4 tank mods will do (EM, Invul, SBA, SB)
- 100nm AB (~200mil) will mitigate most incoming DPS. This is serioulsy OP and if you fly right you rarely ever need to run your SB at all even in c4s.
- you will soon notice, you don’t need all these cap rigs and tank mods and can replace it with something useful, e.g. rigs that help with applying dps.


A fit like that is utter **** as well. You don't need a large SB nor 100mn AB to solo C3 sites. And you can do it fine with a 6 launcher setup. Neuting in a C3 is a joke unless you like sitting still. It's very easy to run the site effectively while staying outside of neut range while also keeping sleepers in a nice compact space for easier salvaging later.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-30 14:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Matarella wrote:
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Deshrial Sculpin wrote:
can not have looked to hard this I grabbed this one a while ago and run a modified version of it... the one I run has around 1400 defense in EFT and solos c4s.... C4 Tengu


Fits like this make me angry! They lack any imagination and do a **** poor job for the price tag. Do not fly this expensive pile of ****!

Hint for reasonable solo tengu fits:
- 5 launchers make your cap happy
- Large Pith SBs are cheap ~200mil
- 3 dmg mods (or more)
- 4 tank mods will do (EM, Invul, SBA, SB)
- 100nm AB (~200mil) will mitigate most incoming DPS. This is serioulsy OP and if you fly right you rarely ever need to run your SB at all even in c4s.
- you will soon notice, you don’t need all these cap rigs and tank mods and can replace it with something useful, e.g. rigs that help with applying dps.


How does a 100mn AB help vs 6 sleeper webs?


The only C3 site(anom) with 6 webbing sleepers at the same time is the last wave of an Outpost Frontier stronghold. And if you fly it to be in range of all 6 webs at the time the wave spawns you are doing it wrong. Otherwise will have at least half of the webbing frigs dead before they are in web range and have no issues. And that's with a 10mn AB (100mn ab fit is a waste)
Bleedingthrough
#31 - 2013-06-30 16:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Bleedingthrough
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Deshrial Sculpin wrote:
can not have looked to hard this I grabbed this one a while ago and run a modified version of it... the one I run has around 1400 defense in EFT and solos c4s.... C4 Tengu


Fits like this make me angry! They lack any imagination and do a **** poor job for the price tag. Do not fly this expensive pile of ****!

Hint for reasonable solo tengu fits:
- 5 launchers make your cap happy
- Large Pith SBs are cheap ~200mil
- 3 dmg mods (or more)
- 4 tank mods will do (EM, Invul, SBA, SB)
- 100nm AB (~200mil) will mitigate most incoming DPS. This is serioulsy OP and if you fly right you rarely ever need to run your SB at all even in c4s.
- you will soon notice, you don’t need all these cap rigs and tank mods and can replace it with something useful, e.g. rigs that help with applying dps.


A fit like that is utter **** as well. You don't need a large SB nor 100mn AB to solo C3 sites. And you can do it fine with a 6 launcher setup. Neuting in a C3 is a joke unless you like sitting still. It's very easy to run the site effectively while staying outside of neut range while also keeping sleepers in a nice compact space for easier salvaging later.


What are you suggesting here? Last time i checked these med boosters go for 1 bil or more. Passive tank, tbh never tested that Drangu? For c3s you don't need the 100nm, both the 5 launcher setup or the 6 launcher setup can easily tank everything in a c3. It just makes you less gankable without any reduction in performance or a crazy price increase. So why not fit it? Quick refit and you could use that tengu even for some small gang phew phew. Or even better ratt in a phew phew setup and gank the gankers...
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-06-30 17:00:15 UTC
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Deshrial Sculpin wrote:
can not have looked to hard this I grabbed this one a while ago and run a modified version of it... the one I run has around 1400 defense in EFT and solos c4s.... C4 Tengu


Fits like this make me angry! They lack any imagination and do a **** poor job for the price tag. Do not fly this expensive pile of ****!

Hint for reasonable solo tengu fits:
- 5 launchers make your cap happy
- Large Pith SBs are cheap ~200mil
- 3 dmg mods (or more)
- 4 tank mods will do (EM, Invul, SBA, SB)
- 100nm AB (~200mil) will mitigate most incoming DPS. This is serioulsy OP and if you fly right you rarely ever need to run your SB at all even in c4s.
- you will soon notice, you don’t need all these cap rigs and tank mods and can replace it with something useful, e.g. rigs that help with applying dps.


A fit like that is utter **** as well. You don't need a large SB nor 100mn AB to solo C3 sites. And you can do it fine with a 6 launcher setup. Neuting in a C3 is a joke unless you like sitting still. It's very easy to run the site effectively while staying outside of neut range while also keeping sleepers in a nice compact space for easier salvaging later.


What are you suggesting here? Last time i checked these med boosters go for 1 bil or more. Passive tank, tbh never tested that Drangu? For c3s you don't need the 100nm, both the 5 launcher setup or the 6 launcher setup can easily tank everything in a c3. It just makes you less gankable without any reduction in performance or a crazy price increase. So why not fit it? Quick refit and you could use that tengu even for some small gang phew phew. Or even better ratt in a phew phew setup and gank the gankers...


What I am suggesting is that everything you are listing makes for a crap fit that suffers from mediocre damage (if you can actually manage to jam everything on, which I haven't been able to). I used a C-type medium booster which are under 300mil and a 10mn AB, which was fast enough to move outside neut range and stay aligned. And it would do 640DPS with furies (before implants). Made billions with that fit in C3's before we moved on to bigger and better things. Never even came close to losing one.


Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#33 - 2013-06-30 18:33:09 UTC
Matarella wrote:
Nightmare can solo C5 anoms. You wont get cap escalation obviously.


I would like to see that. Honestly i can't imagine how. Not to say it would be optimal in any way (same with Drake in C3).

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Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#34 - 2013-06-30 18:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Matarella
Manes Avatarr wrote:
Matarella wrote:
Nightmare can solo C5 anoms. You wont get cap escalation obviously.


I would like to see that. Honestly i can't imagine how. Not to say it would be optimal in any way (same with Drake in C3).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOnsluXpa4U&feature=youtu.be
^ no booster used, Only had someone drop off some cap boosters for him. so pretty much solo.


Oh and a vargur video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff8c39qQE-M

optimal? no you can make more doing the capital escalation. But running 1 site for him took about 40 min. thats more then 300m ISK/h
Hiidaykin
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-07-02 19:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiidaykin
Basically what Derath Ellecon says.

If you will only run C3 anomalies then there is actually a way to run them with a purely T2 fit (a bit tricky but doable), you don't even need a deadspace\faction shield booster or hardener. But a Pithum C-Type Medium shield booster makes your life so much easier and it is so cheap now (around 200m).

More dps is welcomed so 3 faction ballistics will not only give you a nice dps boost but will solve you possible CPU issues too.(I hate using CPU Efficiency gate sub its a waste and you should always try having the Disollution Sequencer instead for fighting).You can actually fit a target painter in the meds for the smaller frigs when you have the right fit.All these for anomalies. Always have an interdiction nullifier in the propulsion,it's not a big deal if you lose a low slot but i guess thats a matter of perspective.When you need it it will save your ship.

If you want to run relics\data you need to compromize a bit.The 2 out of 4 relic-data sites require you to fit the capacitor regeneration matrix susbsystem (5 launcher fit) because there is heavy neuting.It depends on how you want to play really,HMLs or HAMs, far range or close range.With HML fit you can manage\avoid neuting,with HAMs you can't but you get a significant dps boost.It depends on your gamestyle and you need to test both to decide.The other 2 are doable with a 6 launcher fit but you need to have maxed capacitor skills.Also for relic-data a crystal set would help especially in the 2 hard ones.Having 3% hardwirings for missiles and capacitor is the minimum i would susggest if you cant afford to have +5%.

Also your fit might need to be a bit more expensive especially if you plan to run the relic site with the triple upholder spawn.Personally i use HAMs to finish the sites faster and this site is the only case where i overload the booster and the 1 active hardener till i have taken out 1 upholder battleship.It works perfect and i only need to pay a few thousand isk to repair the modules later.With HMLs fit you dont need to do this kind of managment but you won't finish as fast as with HAMs.Both types are valid and effective.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#36 - 2013-07-03 16:48:46 UTC
[Tengu, WH BAM]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Pith C-Type EM Ward Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer



runs all C3 anomalies, Long range so you can stay alinged to something usefull. cost under 800 mil ISK. with the CPU efficiency gate you could drop down the EM ward to T2. but this will screw your lock range.
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