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T3 in DED 3/10 or 4/10
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Crularii
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-06-30 12:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Crularii
So, what's the status here? I thought they aren't allowed anymore in those DEDs since Odyssey? Did a Gurista Vigil today and saw a Loki entering the second pocket.

Anyone care to enlighten me?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-30 12:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Vigil is not a DED-rated site.

The DED 3/10 for Gurista is the Guristas Guerilla Grounds and the 4/10 is the Guristas Scout Outpost.
Vigils and Watches are unrated combat sites.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#3 - 2013-06-30 12:46:51 UTC
You are anwering the question yourself in the OP. Vigil is not a DED rated complex.
Crularii
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-30 12:56:28 UTC
And I thought Vigil was a 3/10, my fault. Thanks for the clarification.
Evil D4rk
AMC.
Out of the Blue.
#5 - 2013-06-30 13:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Evil D4rk
I'm just guessing here but I think vigil is not a ded rated site. Just putting that out there. ;)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-30 14:11:09 UTC
Evil D4rk wrote:
I'm just guessing here but I think vigil is not a ded rated site. Just putting that out there. ;)



I'm just guessing here, but I'm gonna say you didn't bother reading the replies that came before you. Just putting that out there.
Falaricae
Proffessional Experts Group
#7 - 2013-06-30 14:28:18 UTC
IIRC the list of rated DED sites does not actually include gurista vigil.
Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-30 15:14:39 UTC
I don't think the Vigil is a rated DED site.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#9 - 2013-06-30 15:27:32 UTC
Maybe it is secretly rated as a 5/10, but CCP won't tell us, because "sekrit™". This is an outrage! To the forums!

oh, derp, am already here. Nevermind..move along, nothing to see here.
Evil D4rk
AMC.
Out of the Blue.
#10 - 2013-06-30 21:51:42 UTC
Czeris wrote:
I don't think the Vigil is a rated DED site.


I'm just guessing here, but I'm gonna say you didn't bother reading the replies that came before you. Just putting that out there.
Blue Absinthe
Wardec U
#11 - 2013-06-30 22:31:30 UTC
A Vigil and is an unrated site, and so doesn't fall under the ship restrictions of the DED sites.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-07-01 02:41:50 UTC
Mark my words, it's already begun. Players complaining about T3's in high sec unrated combat sites will soon prompt CCP into swinging the ole nerf bat once again, thus making T3's unable to access those sites as well..



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Crularii
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-07-01 05:00:06 UTC
Can only speak for myself, it wasn't my intention to try and get them further nerfed. I can finish those sites in my Ishtar faster than a T3 anyway. At least in most cases. Was really only curious, as I thought Vigils were 3/10s. Which they aren't btw., in case anyone still wonders........ what did I start here ;-)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-07-01 06:27:42 UTC
No Problem, I just wanted to throw that out there.

Anyway, giving a rate to high sec Unrated Combat sites like the DED sites, I'd place them in this order :

Hideout = level / DED 1/10
Lookout = level / DED 2/10
Watch = level / DED 3/10
Vigil = level / DED 4/10




DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2013-07-02 12:42:44 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
No Problem, I just wanted to throw that out there.

Anyway, giving a rate to high sec Unrated Combat sites like the DED sites, I'd place them in this order :

Hideout = level / DED 1/10
Lookout = level / DED 2/10
Watch = level / DED 3/10
Vigil = level / DED 4/10




DMC


Worth noting that these are equivalency ratings, in terms of difficulty. That's likely what confused the OP; the evelopedia probably lists vigil with a rating because people are dumb.

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DMC


Okay.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-07-02 13:15:47 UTC
Evil D4rk wrote:
Czeris wrote:
I don't think the Vigil is a rated DED site.


I'm just guessing here, but I'm gonna say you didn't bother reading the replies that came before you. Just putting that out there.


That's extra funny coming from you.
Cryo Kool
Tax Holiday
#17 - 2013-07-03 08:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cryo Kool
They don't need to nerf the ships they just need to lock the gate behind them for a specific period of time; say 5 minutes. That way, the first person in gets a nice headstart. Do it for each stage or make it so there is a ship that respawns in each room that contains a gate key to access the next room; call it the gatekeeper or something. Just play it off like the accel gate needs to recharge it's capacitors after each use, thereby limiting it to once every 5 minutes.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2013-07-03 12:22:11 UTC
Thats a terrible idea.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#19 - 2013-07-03 12:35:34 UTC
Cryo Kool wrote:
They don't need to nerf the ships they just need to lock the gate behind them for a specific period of time; say 5 minutes. That way, the first person in gets a nice headstart. Do it for each stage or make it so there is a ship that respawns in each room that contains a gate key to access the next room; call it the gatekeeper or something. Just play it off like the accel gate needs to recharge it's capacitors after each use, thereby limiting it to once every 5 minutes.



Most all of the ded sites were originally public statics, ie they were meant to be causing contention. I personally don't race other players if they found the site first, and I wish em luck if the character is young, but i'm completely aware that my particular character trait should never be more than a character trait, and it should absolutely not be part of the game mechanics.

A lot of people ought to think themselves very lucky ded 4s aren't gone from highsec.
Cryo Kool
Tax Holiday
#20 - 2013-07-03 15:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cryo Kool
XXSketchxx wrote:
Thats a terrible idea.


Well currently they are changing gate restrictions and nerfing ships to accomplish a similar result. Instead of indirectly making changes to pve competition, why not do it directly? Are you of the opinion that banning T3 cruisers from 3/10 and 4/10 ded plexes, which includes low-sec, was a good idea? You will find whole threads of people who don't agree that change should have effected low-sec plex runners; only high-sec where the perceived problem was.
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