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AMD/ATI Dropping Windows XP Support
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xarjin
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#1 - 2013-06-30 01:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
Just read about this on slashdot.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/06/29/2235257/amdati-drops-windows-xp-support

Hopefully any stragglers playing eve on windows xp will finally get updated to windows 7 so ccp can update eve to support directx11.

Nvidia likely wont be far behind ATI in dropping support for windows xp.

Update your systems windows xp users or you will be left behind to the annals of computing history.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-30 01:44:27 UTC
+1
Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-30 01:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenos Ebeth
The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence.

well since Nvidia hasn't dropped support it's not yet an issue for everyone , but xp users might as well take this as their wake up call if they don't want to log on one day and realize That Eve doesn't work anymore on their outdated OS.

Bad posts are not welcome on these forums.  -CCP Falcon
xarjin
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#4 - 2013-06-30 02:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
If the driver support ending for major videocard vendors isn't enough motivation there really is no other good reasons to continue using windows xp from a security perspective.

using 15 year old operating system software is just irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's computer systems that don't need to be infected by every virus windows xp based pc's easily pickup and distribute. No amount of antivirus software can fix that long outstanding issue with windows xp.

The internet is a global infrastructure and ensuring your pc is not vulnerable breeding pool for malware is akin to respecting your neighbors property and belongings.

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-739/cvssscoremin-0/cvssscoremax-9/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html

The last Windows XP pc i reinstalled with windows 7 just this past weekend was infected with around 50 malware and virus files.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#5 - 2013-06-30 02:28:08 UTC
XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8
Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2013-06-30 02:29:42 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
... and about 2% Win 8

Those poor souls...
xarjin
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#7 - 2013-06-30 02:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
Aliventi wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
... and about 2% Win 8

Those poor souls...


/agree

Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation

Doing any productivity tasks with windows 8 is like trying to knit a wool sweater while wearing multiple Chinese finger puzzles.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-30 02:40:11 UTC
eve should use opengl

its better

also windows 8 is horrible, when are we going to be forced to use that?

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-30 02:58:18 UTC
xarjin wrote:
If the driver support ending for major videocard vendors isn't enough motivation there really is no other good reasons to continue using windows xp from a security perspective.

using 15 year old operating system software is just irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's computer systems that don't need to be infected by every virus windows xp based pc's easily pickup and distribute. No amount of antivirus software can fix that long outstanding issue with windows xp.

The internet is a global infrastructure and ensuring your pc is not vulnerable breeding pool for malware is akin to respecting your neighbors property and belongings.

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-739/cvssscoremin-0/cvssscoremax-9/Microsoft-Windows-Xp.html

The last Windows XP pc i reinstalled with windows 7 just this past weekend was infected with around 50 malware and virus files.



Windows is the problem, if everyone used bsd or unix we wouldn't need to worry about the majority of security holes microsoft built in to spy on us.

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Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-30 03:11:03 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8




lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is.
JamnOne
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-06-30 03:26:36 UTC
Makes sense seeing on Microshaft already dropped support..
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-30 03:27:01 UTC
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8




lol maybe in Siberia wherever the heck that is.


about 100% of my customers run linux for servers/desktop

they also switched to openoffice

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-30 03:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
The only way to stop certain people from using XP would be to physically destroy all copies of it in existence.


That's the sum of it.

And it's an important lesson for CCP too. Familiar UI is important. The main reason why people don't give up XP isn't just cost, it's the UI they're familiar with. Microsoft can't make even Windows 8 without a Start button after all these years with a Start button.

PC gaming is the same in controls and their UI. Having a different UI is possible, but it alienates as it's not a standard. Programming languages would fall on it's face if it didn't have standards, too. So they're quite conservative...same with UIs.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
kerradeph
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-30 04:07:25 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
eve should use opengl

its better

also windows 8 is horrible, when are we going to be forced to use that?

well, if this is any indication. probably after 2-3 more OSes come out after 8. so we can probably be assured that we will have something worthwhile to upgrade to before 7 is dropped.
GreenSeed
#15 - 2013-06-30 04:14:51 UTC
if they stop supporting it means new hardware wont have drivers for xp... thats all this means. hardware that's 2+years old usually NEVER gets added features or optimizations via drivers, so already there's no point on even upgrading drivers, losing the ability to do so is hardly noticeable.

it does nothing to force people to upgrade, because if someone is running 2 year old hardware on 6 year old software he already doesn't care. i know it seems crazy, but there's people who don't have disposable income and pc hardware is hardly a priority for them. spoiled snob.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#16 - 2013-06-30 04:19:28 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
XP rocks fully 80%+ of my corporate customers sill run XP 18% Win 7 and about 2% Win 8

How does a one man corp get those percentages


PS: Stealth post with your main

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#17 - 2013-06-30 05:39:44 UTC
I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous.

Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#18 - 2013-06-30 05:50:29 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
I wish everyone would drop support for XP. Having to support something that old is just ridiculous.

Also Win 8 is fine. Stop listening to people who only tried it to look for flaws. Everyone is stuck complaining about the start menu disappearing. Hit the Windows key on your keyboard. Type the first 3 letters of the program you want. Hit enter. Put everything on your task bar and desktop and make a mess just like you used to. It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.


Windows 8 is ******* painful if you do anything technical; the server kernels are respectable though, lots of people switching over.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-06-30 05:52:33 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
It isn't hard to adapt to change and act like an adult.


Pro tip: Adults tend not to change as often as patches in games. Us old geezers are pretty set in our routines and ways. Bear

Most XP hold ons are with companies. My computing relative still maintains a lawyer office computers running Windows NT (want to talk old?). Why? Software. Mom and pop businesses don't have the cash to spend on each new OS rollout on updating their software. If you spent $50,000 on it, you're not going to keep spending $10,000 to update it. The overall expense gets to be too expensive.

It's why Microsoft had to keep maintaining XP, despite it wanted EOL it, as Microsoft caters to businesses (that's their main money source).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Erok Careynah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-06-30 05:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Erok Careynah
This won't effect XP users that much. Alot of games don't work on XP as it stands, and the hardware they're using with XP generally is so old that it's trivial to actually update the drivers. If you're using a GeForce 3 from 2001 it's not going to matter if you update the drivers for it in 2013, because nVidia simply isn't building any code for that platform anymore.


PS: You can still get newer builds of nVidia/ATI drivers for Windows NT/2000, even though they "dropped" support for that OS ages ago. This doesn't effect people very much. Dropping support doesn't mean you won't be able to get updated drivers/software for your OS, it simply means that they won't be building code around that OS anymore.
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