Science & Industry

I stopped reading the thread after the OP provided a solution.

If you are unhappy because of something that drives less than 1% of the people playing.. then just quit. You won't be missed.

Just here (again) confirming that a t2 BPO doesn't make you insta-rich and that the vast majority of them are rather pointless to have. I owned eight tech II BPO's (including a small arty, a drone and a ship BPO) before I took a 3-year break. I got most of those for naught from R&D agents and bought a few from the auction forum.

Somewhere along the line the account I held them on was stolen from me and because apparently sharing your password with your wife is forbidden, they refuse to give it back to me. As a result, I returned to Eve with 500k isk and zero tech II BPOs instead of some 20 billion and a bunch of tech II prints.

Now, while I still owned those prints, yes, I was making good money. It was, however, not nearly as much isk as I make now from invention. The reason? VOLUME. VOLUME VOLUME. Tech II, especially ships and ammo, take FOREVER to build. HML's II (for example) take about 1,5 hour to build from a BPO. Yes, they take twice that from an ME -4 BPC but you can actually fill as amny factory slots as you have available with them, which increases your volume by so much that the slightly reduced profit per unit becomes a non-issue.

Also, market prices for most items are invention-driven anyway. The demand for mot items can nowhere near be met by production from BPOs, so margins are actually pretty good. Why on earth would I care the guy with the BPO makes more money per run? Most BPO holders would likely be better off just selling their BPOs for tens if not hundreds of billions because that's more isk than they will ever make from that blueprint.

Final example: I (mostly) invent and build Mackinaws. After taking into all the costs to build said ships (including BPCs, Datacores, Decryptor and materials) I make about 24-25 million on a Mack. I build 6-7 of them per day (on average, depending a bit on invention succes rates), so my invention + building makes me about 150-160 million per day. Without a BPO. A BPO owner will be able to build TWO Mackinaws per day. His profit per Mack will be 40% higher because his will be ME 1 or ME 2 while mine is negative (varying on which decryptor gives the best return, which is market dependant and mostly related to the cost of Nanotransistors, but I'm starting to go off-topic now). At 40% higher profit, he will make 80 million a day. That's half what I make.

So ye, sure that takes very little time, no invention, very little effort and only 1 factory slot. However, just selling the BPO for 150 billion or so would actually be a lot better. It would take 5 years for that print to have made 150b isk. I'd rather have 150b NOW than 150b in 5 years.

You are entitled to your opinion like anyone else, but that doesnt stop it from being complete bollocks

T2 BPOs arent the cash cows you think they are, firstly you can make more isk from inventing BPCs, and secondly, if you want one buy one go ahead and waste your money if you want, nobody is stopping you.

Also, your metaphors are crap, im pretty sure CCP dont advertise T2 BPOs as a way of getting new people to sign up to the game.

The fairness of T2 BPO has been discussed to death.

However one aspect I think is being over looked, some T2 BPO are commanding prices/valuation that cannot be justified on a purely "return on capital" valuation. That Foxfire Javlin Rocket BPO is essentially worthless for production purposes and the Piranha Fury Light Missile barely profitable.

Instead they seem to be valued as collectors vanity items, almost like works of art in RL.

I dont agree with OP, but this final example is not good imo, because as owner I can have more than just one T2 BPO and run 10 slots of different things. Then I can do much more ISK than inventer.


Another question, why is the price for veld mining crystal II so low?

You keep saying this Velicitia... care to quote your source? I recall seeing a different amount in the past which I cannot quite find at the moment.

When I said it must be 10 exactly same BPOs? Im sure there are many profitable T2 BPOs :)

Phenomenal quote! Perfect description of what it's all about.

My question should be: Why si the price for veld mining crystal II so low when T2 BPOs have no or very low impact on markets (like ppl mentioned here)?
uff my english is bad sorry

there are a few items that are absolutely rubbish to invent (mostly because margins are slim). Veld mining crystals happen to be one of these items.

Same goes for Drakes or 'Phoons or anything, really -- you may simply find that the market is so cut throat that you can't really break in to it.

Neither of these instances is "unfair" ...