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L2 missions or something else for isk? Saving for a drake
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#21 - 2013-06-28 02:55:38 UTC
whatever you do mining is the wrong choice. I dunno 1.8m/hour seems low, but hey very well could be lv2 income, I haven't don them in a while. I just remember when I did run them I could afford my drake about the same time I could fly it (and not even well) maybe I have a large tolerance to grind?

taking a cheap ship into lowsec you can learn a lot, although I suppose you could also get frustrated and throw your monitor out the window. although you shouldn't do that second one as you should be prepared to lose the ship. although I can totally see someone getting some fat loot and coming back and getting it all blown up right before they get back.

caracal can probably deal with most level 3 missions now, I know I ran a few with mine years ago when I had awful missile skills, and before they did the cruiser rebalance. should be able to kite pretty well with one.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#22 - 2013-06-28 12:51:13 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
although I can totally see someone getting some fat loot and coming back and getting it all blown up right before they get back.



Yeah, don't try to "get back" to anywhere but the closest station to put your phat lewt on the market. The security tags actually have a better chance of selling high there especially the ones used to go from -10 to -4.5.

As far as getting blown up? Yep, it'll happen. The question really is do you want to have an exciting time earning the Drake while learning and meeting people or do you want to grind red crosses and rocks until you go braindead?
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#23 - 2013-06-28 13:51:25 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

Yes, swimming in trillions would describe my main's wallet. It was earned taking risks rather than being a risk adverse moron grinding missions. Would you mind pointing out where I tell him to take something he can't afford to loose?...or where he tells us he's a risk adverse moron?

Shove that trolling bullshit up your ass.


(Figured I'd add you or your corp has no combat record...sooo what low or null experience do you have to even know what you're talking about?)


You the only one with an alt? Seen your posts all over the place here. None are helpful, most are impolite and a ton need correcting by the ISD staff for being insulting to new players. Why don't you take your trolling and gtfo?

My guess is you are such a worthless player you need to get your kicks out of insulting the newbies on these forums.


There are two types of players in this game: hunters and their victims. You are pushing OP into victim position, effectively forcing him to leave the game in in 2 months due to TOTAL boredom yet you're saying it's MinnieCitizen who is the bad guy? This is EVE Online, not AVOID_LOSING_SHIPS Online neither HAVE_FUN_STARING_AT_ROCKS Online.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#24 - 2013-06-28 14:33:25 UTC
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

Yes, swimming in trillions would describe my main's wallet. It was earned taking risks rather than being a risk adverse moron grinding missions. Would you mind pointing out where I tell him to take something he can't afford to loose?...or where he tells us he's a risk adverse moron?

Shove that trolling bullshit up your ass.


(Figured I'd add you or your corp has no combat record...sooo what low or null experience do you have to even know what you're talking about?)


You the only one with an alt? Seen your posts all over the place here. None are helpful, most are impolite and a ton need correcting by the ISD staff for being insulting to new players. Why don't you take your trolling and gtfo?

My guess is you are such a worthless player you need to get your kicks out of insulting the newbies on these forums.


There are two types of players in this game: hunters and their victims. You are pushing OP into victim position, effectively forcing him to leave the game in in 2 months due to TOTAL boredom yet you're saying it's MinnieCitizen who is the bad guy? This is EVE Online, not AVOID_LOSING_SHIPS Online neither HAVE_FUN_STARING_AT_ROCKS Online.


Ah, ya can't blame them much. They do the tutorial and work up to running level 4s, have spreadsheets showing how much isk/hr they get grinding rocks and a bunch of clueless corp mates who listen to them...then they come here and find out all the stuff they have been doing is crap money compared to even the lowest forms of solo low/null sec income.

They are wow level carebears and see a ship loss as blow to their manhood....don't be that guy or hang around guys like that.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#25 - 2013-06-28 14:51:34 UTC
If you enjoy missioning, carry on with it and work your way up to level 3, and eventually level 4 missions. Level 2 mission income is .... not exactly brilliant; but it's a necessary step on your way through the agents offers.

Unlike a career like mining, nearly all the skills you train while doing missions can be applied to other in-game activities such as factional warfare, wormhole living, incursion running (very good money here) or even PVP if you ever get interested in that (you totally should, its great!).

By the time you are on your way to level 4 missions you should be sat proud and happy in your Drake. While normally you need to worry about support skills to make the bigger ships work efficiently (ESPECIALLY true for battleships), the Drake's passive tank can be fitted effectively for mission running even by low skillpoint pilots. It's one of the main appeals of the ship for PVE purposes.

Overall, have fun in Eve. Take on board what people say but NEVER EVER let them tell you you are "doing it wrong". There are too many blind sheep with no imagination here.

♥

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#26 - 2013-06-28 16:40:23 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

Ah, ya can't blame them much. They do the tutorial and work up to running level 4s, have spreadsheets showing how much isk/hr they get grinding rocks and a bunch of clueless corp mates who listen to them...then they come here and find out all the stuff they have been doing is crap money compared to even the lowest forms of solo low/null sec income.

They are wow level carebears and see a ship loss as blow to their manhood....don't be that guy or hang around guys like that.



Well, on the other side, I wouldnt be so sure. The best income I've ever had were incursions pre-Inferno, 10 mil ISK / 5 min in a damn BC (or was it BS?) is something I am sure I will never reach again. And that's highsec stuff.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#27 - 2013-06-28 16:46:19 UTC
I agree with that Lady who Spanks Blink, if you're having fun play it your way, a way you can get some isk'es lined up quickly is to be somewhere lvl 4 missions are being done and ask, simply ask if there are any missioner's who's lvl 4 you can salvage.

A few of those and you will get that shiny pretty quick.

Small investment;

1. Algos (Gallente destroyer)
2. Buy all tractors for hi.
3. Buy 5 salvage drones and the rest of the m3 space for drone whatever floats your fancy.
4. Cargo hold expanders for low.
5. Best shield tank you can for mids and don't forget a microwarp or afterburner (helpful when wrecks are spread out)
6. Cargo rigs or shield rigs you choice.

With this setup I make very good secondary income from my lvl 4's.

Forget the fancy 80 isk dedicated salvager boat for now, forget the name....anyway try it you'll like the low cost and hi return of a cheap salvager setup.
Lelouch Heika
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-06-29 04:42:02 UTC
How would I make isk solo in null sec? I don't really want to risk too much in null sec, but I'll try it to see if I like it.

Can I get tags, in say, something smaller than a battlecruiser?

If I'm going to do this I also want to make many times as much as I make doing L3s, since they have 0 risk and make steady isk.

I can take some risks but I don't want to just throw away ships over and over.

I got the drake btw, running l3s easy, just looking for something to potentially make some profit
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#29 - 2013-06-29 04:47:00 UTC
speaking of that 0.0 thing, I jumped into M-o last night expecting to lose my ship (about to outgrow my clone, might as well have some fun before I cough up a bunch of isk for a new one). All I saw was a few wrecks when I jumped in, got 30mil in loot and jumped out. I left behind a ton of RF EMP L, Barrage L, and Hail L, because my ship just didn't have the room to carry it all. If I unfit my cyclone and self destructed I'd be ahead in the 24 hours I've had it.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#30 - 2013-06-29 11:23:36 UTC
Lelouch Heika wrote:
How would I make isk solo in null sec? I don't really want to risk too much in null sec, but I'll try it to see if I like it.

Can I get tags, in say, something smaller than a battlecruiser?

If I'm going to do this I also want to make many times as much as I make doing L3s, since they have 0 risk and make steady isk.

I can take some risks but I don't want to just throw away ships over and over.

I got the drake btw, running l3s easy, just looking for something to potentially make some profit


How much you make will become secondary to having fun. Think of it more in terms of investment versus potential rewards. Doing missions to earn some dough in an easy way is cool but try these when you get bored...even a Navy Raven in a level 4 mission is still just red crosses and wallet blinks.

How to make isk in null sec as a newbro lookin' for riches?

#1. Learn d-scan and get your overview set up.

#2 Train for exploration (probe scanning in a scan bonus frigate), archeology (try for level 4 as some null sec mini-games are hard) and a tech I cloak.

#3 Go exploring for wormholes and relic sites. When you find a wormhole use the "show info" option and the pop up will have general information of how long it will be there, if it has been disturbed by ships passing through it and where it goes. I wouldn't suggest wormhole diving in w-space for more exits to null yet but once you are comfortable go for it. Right now you are looking for direct WHs to null...look in low sec I get them pretty regularly there.

#4 Once you find one jump in and BOOKMARK THE WAY BACK HOME. DO THIS FIRST!!! You are now in null sec. Check local and if no one is there ring the bell and take the relics. It's really that easy. Take a quick look at how to avoid bubbles and have a ride around to the other systems. Once you have enough loot to make you ask the question "I wonder if it's time to leave"...leave.

#5 Profit. Big smile

On a side note: If you should jump in and see a bunch of mining barges on scan and 5 people in local cloak up and just sit quiet. They will be more scared of you than you are of them. When they ask you to leave make them pay a fine in whatever amount you wish...I would suggest around 500mil. (Being a gaybird miner in null is a fine-able crime btw)


How to gather security tags?

#1 Learn d-scan and get your overview set up

#2 Fit a pvp frigate or destroyer with an active tank. (has an armor OR shield repairer). Here's a sample fit but read the first comment about the rigs.

#3 Set destination to a .1 or .2 system and take a ride through low sec warping to the belts AT RANDOM RANGES. Don't warp to zero. When you find a clone soldier rat have a look at local and make the call if you think it's worth the risk.

#4 If you get bothered or run into another new guy killing your rat shoot that muthafucker!...just not with loot in cargo.One clone trainer rat (the lowest bounty ones in .4 systems) will pay 1mil on the bounty alone not counting the tag.


Good Luck o7
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-06-29 23:29:24 UTC
If your goal is combat, whether it be PvE or PvP, then anything that has you training combat skills is a good option. Missions are a safe, easy way to make some cash while leveling up core skills. Like all PvE, you can rush thru it to a much higher level than you can with PvP.

Missions are just a grind currently. There is no reason to remain doing a lower level of mission than you have access to, up to level four missions. Thus, you would only run level two's to access three's, and three's only long enough to get to four's. At level 4 you can still mission in high sec, but the rats can warp scram you like a player would. Level V's require going to low sec and aren't as popular for making money as other forms of PvE at that point, like Incursions. So level IV is sort of the stopping point for many mission runners.

Running missions is as boring as any form of PvE. But at least you'll train PvP related skills and get some feel for how fighting works.
With the buffs to exploration- there are other options even as a newb. But missioning remains an easy choice.

My best advice is remember it's an MMO. Fly with other people. Even if it slows down your grind or income, just flying with other folks transforms Eve. It's more fun to share a mission you could easily solo than it is to grind. It's just a game, so fun should be your first concern.
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