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700 DPS and 200 EHP tengu how?

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-06-28 01:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point



........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI.

Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine

http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-06-28 01:51:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.



Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors.

On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu.


how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors.



No but any other bait ship does. You aren't using shield T3s in hi-sec wars, that is the providence of the God-tanked slave clone Protues.

In low certainly, because if you are commiting tengus you can commit something with a point to go with. The old solo PvP bild was a 100mn AB faction fit HML with a loki booster.....basically anything that could catch was meat.

It also got its teeth pulled bigger than hell when they nerfed the HMLs 5 HLMs is stuck right around 350dps without 300mil in faction ballistic controls....so that is out. I've only seen one since the nerf and I pinned it with a bomber long enough that a fleet could catch up and kill it.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#43 - 2013-06-28 14:27:08 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point



........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI.

Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine

http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day.



Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-06-29 20:06:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point



........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI.

Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine

http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day.



Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships.


Why is it specifically unhealthy for medium ships?
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-06-29 20:12:42 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships.


Why is it specifically unhealthy for medium ships?


40km Neut Ranges are bad news for HAM Tengus, since it means your afterburner and all your hardeners turn off and now you've now got tracking Apocs shooting into your 0% EM resistance because you're a dumb goon that didn't swap one of his hardeners to passive when the FC told you to.

Lokis are still doing fine, though, since they outrange the neuts and have hilariously high resists against lasers.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#46 - 2013-06-29 21:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
No links or implants, but also no point. At least it has a prop mod...XD

[Tengu, 700*200]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

712/838 DPS, 202/262k EHP omni. Although a fun exercise, I wouldn't really recommend using this unless in a fleet..C:
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-06-30 14:45:55 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
No links or implants, but also no point. At least it has a prop mod...XD

[Tengu, 700*200]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

712/838 DPS, 202/262k EHP omni. Although a fun exercise, I wouldn't really recommend using this unless in a fleet..C:


why wouldnt you recomend using it unless in a fleet?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-06-30 14:52:12 UTC
no he said he wouldnt use it UNLESS he is in a fleet

Art of Explosions
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#49 - 2013-06-30 15:10:15 UTC
Ciyrine, what I mean is that the loadout I posted is a fleet ship, thats why it has an afterburner and no point. In a small gang or solo, you are better off with an active tanked ship that does more DPS and uses a MWD (or a 100MN afterburner in some cases) to dictate range when kiting with a warp disruptor.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-06-30 17:04:12 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Ciyrine, what I mean is that the loadout I posted is a fleet ship, thats why it has an afterburner and no point. In a small gang or solo, you are better off with an active tanked ship that does more DPS and uses a MWD (or a 100MN afterburner in some cases) to dictate range when kiting with a warp disruptor.


Thats interesting. i got impression from people that when it comes to any kind of pvp solo all the way to fleet shield/armor extenders are better than shield/armor repairers. that when you start taking damage your dead too fast for repair to matter

why AB in fleet but MWD in small/solo pvp?
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#51 - 2013-06-30 18:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Quote:

Thats interesting. i got impression from people that when it comes to any kind of pvp solo all the way to fleet shield/armor extenders are better than shield/armor repairers. that when you start taking damage your dead too fast for repair to matter


No, the difference is another one. When in fleet, you rely mostly in friendly logistics to survive, so the more EHP you have the better. In small gang and solo PvP, you can go either straight buffer, hybrid buffer or active tanking (and in some restricted situations even passive tanking), according to the application at hand.

Quote:
why AB in fleet but MWD in small/solo pvp?


When a grunt in the DPS part of a fleet, you are supposed to stay in line and maneuver with the rest of the fleet. Speed and position is defined by your FC, not strictly from your hull capabilities.

In sg or solo PvP, the more speed you have the better you can adapt to different battle situations. Range dictation, kiting and ambush depend more on you, than on others. Of course, this again depends on the situation and hull at hand.
stup idity
#52 - 2013-07-02 10:21:40 UTC
both fits have almost exactly 700dps and 200k ehp (with averaged resists, not worst case).

skills all 5, no implants, passive booster only. price tag should be around 550 million.

Personally, I like the second one better, for style and more attention on the eventual killmail.

[Tengu, tengu3]
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)

2x Large Shield Extender II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
EM Ward Field II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

[Tengu, tengu4]
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M)

2x Large Shield Extender II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

I am the Herald of all beings that are me.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-07-02 10:56:14 UTC
stup idity wrote:

[Tengu, tengu4]
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M)

2x Large Shield Extender II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II



Zdat one is awesome, blasterGu best Tengu Lol

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-02 21:12:21 UTC
whats the advantage of the blaster vs ham tengu?
stup idity
#55 - 2013-07-02 21:28:53 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
whats the advantage of the blaster vs ham tengu?


This:

stup idity wrote:

Personally, I like the second one better, for style and more attention on the eventual killmail.


Of course you could do a detailed in-depth analysis of both weapon systems, but:
those blasters have around one fourth of ham range and use cap while doing the same damage with 6 instead of 5 weapons. Not worth taking another look at until the according subsystems might be rebalanced somewhere in the future.

I am the Herald of all beings that are me.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-02 22:07:17 UTC
i was thinking the blasters might have better tracking and damage application against faster/smaller sig targets. Making them more effective at destroying a wider range of targets
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-07-02 22:35:28 UTC
since tengu has no bonus to medium hybrid tracking: no it wont.

Art of Explosions
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-07-03 00:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
since i cant test in sisi I use EFT to try and see how things look.

The Beam tengu does better damage against small/fast targets than the missile versions. If you can keep transversal under control and in range of course
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-07-03 00:52:27 UTC
beam.... tengu?

Art of Explosions
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-07-03 02:31:24 UTC
let me try again. heavy neutron blaster. If thats not a beam my apologies