Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The only change that should happen to the Black Ops ship-class is that they should get a bonus where they can equip Covert Ops Cloak, and get a speed buff on that.

The only cloaked ship that should be removed from local is one that can't fit points or a cyno.

Cloaks and vanishes from local, plus cannot see local.

It really is a good idea, but not new.
Here is one that includes that, plus carries a logical extension:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2369739#post2369739

As for losing navigational links, don't be ridiculous.
Those are called beacons, and they are the only truly free intel intended by game design.

They simply eliminate the need for manually bookmarking these locations.

Just say you want free ganks Aliventi. Because that is what these topics of "REMOVE OR DELAY LOCAL" are all about. The big juicy target warped away and players like you are mad. Yet you won't go into wormhole space where you have your no local. Oh I forgot.. Cynos dont work in that space right? So how about completely wrecking nullsec so players like you can get a few easy ganks before most people say "**** it i'm out"? and by out likely the game itself which would deny CCP subs for NO valid reason.

Nullsec has NEVER been what you think "It should be" It is meant to be risky but not an easy gank paradise for the few months that players try to manage the bullcrap factor. CCP gave you wormhole space where you have no local. Yet you try to destroy a completely different aspect of the game that requires local or the exact or buffed equivalent to prevent easy ganks.

I do not play EVE online to be your easy target because you are too full of yourself to go on roams and alliance fleets. I watch local and pay attention to Intel and that is a fair tradeoff for being in nullsec.

For the record tho. I greatly support more Null-Null wormholes to allow for more roams. I think more null-null would be a good thing to do when and if they make cloaking slowly probe able to deter going AFK in an enemy system.

Local is nullsec. Nobody in comparison to today is going to play your game of easy gank online. And CCP is smart enough to not alienate a huge amount of its players because you want easy ganks.

How do I know this? Do you remember the sudden increase in ganking that happened years ago? CCP decided that Concord was too weak and too slow and that allowed too many easy ganks before the attackers were destroyed. You know what they did? They buffed CONCORD. You should have seen the screaming from those who think like you.

"YOU ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE!"
"HISEC IS TOO SAFE NOOOO!!"
"CAREBEARS > PVPers! THAT IS HOW CCP THINKS111!!!" (Even tho the gankers never had any real risk with cargo scanners and insurance that paid out even if CONCORD was involved)

You won't get your no local. You need to just admit you want the easy ganks and could care less about what happens to CCP and EVE Online in my opinion.

Could care less what one what was said at Fanfest. CCP has said before the want to replace local. But that is because they want a better UI for what local is used for and not to nerf it. Because lets face it. Local looks a bit silly and is a bit clunky for that task. Someone at CCP also brought up the idea of gold ammo and that never got implemented.

As opposed to AFK Cloaking where CCP has never said anything positive about it other that they do not consider it an exploit (It is not. Just overpowered) Why is this? Cloaks arrived in a similar timeframe in history as the POS. And everyone knows the horror POS code is in EVE.

BTW. If AFK Cloaking does change in the future I will NOT enjoy your tears. Maybe you will get over yourself and go on group roams and fleets.

Ops idea is not bad at all, and like others said it is a middle solution for the remove local suggestions.

I lived in null sec, I agree is safer than hi-sec, but scary paranoid nullbears will fight to the death to have local for ever and ideas like Op go to nowhere.

Look at my posting history. I have been thinking about this for a very long time and come to the same conclusion every time.

Those calling for no local are of the same mindset as those who were ganking in Hisec pre CONCORD nerf. "They have it too easy.. Too safe. They will SURELY adapt right if not they were space EVE cancer anyway and how much better the game would be if my ganking was easier."

CCP gives no local in Womrhole space. Yet they don't go. And yet some admit to going AFK while cloaked in that space as well. Why? Because local or not it is about getting easy ganks and finding ways to do it or destroying the game trying.

Nullsec wasn't designed around easy ganks. There was a reason local was never changed to delayed by now.

Just because you have a posting history where you have reached only one conclusion doesn't mean you are correct.

You consistently compare those that hunt for targets out in nullsec to those who want cheap easy highsec ganks. If I wanted that why would I be out in nullsec instead of ganking a helpless miner? The answer is because I don't want that.

And why am I not in WH space? Because I don't want to deal with WH space. I don't want scan down WHs endlessly HOPING that they might lead to some good PvP. I find it much more soothing and enjoyable to put on some music, grab my cynabal and go hunting. I enjoy jumping through 200+ systems in a night far more fun than scanning down a WH.

And your claim that nullsec was never designed around easy ganks. This is correct. It is as correct that nullsec was never designed to be safer than highsec. However, because of local it is.

As pointed out above I lose out on local just as much as you do. I need to actually search for you. I no longer have the ability to jump in to a system and instantly know if there is someone there to kill. You could be hiding just outside of D-scan range and I would never know you were there. You can cloak and I would never know you were there. You can dock up and I will never know you were there. It makes my job FAR harder to find and kill you.

Removing local surely will make me finding and killing you so much easier...

You seem to think, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that if someone wants to remove local then they MUST want cheap ganks. That is simply not true. And yet you insist that it is so. Why is that?

Is it wrong to want nullsec to be less safe than highsec? Why do you want nullsec to be safer than highsec? Is it wrong to expect someone to put in effort to gain something in this game? Why are you so opposed to having to place eyes a few jumps out?

All I want is for you to lose the ability to have a cheap and easy intel source. The result of this is you will have to learn to work with others and place eyes cloaked off gates to see who comes and goes. Or PvP fit your ratting ships. Or fit your mining barges with combat drones. It is certainly not game ending. Just a little more effort. I will have to invest far more effort to get around your eyes and deal with your ships than you will expend by taking these measures. If your eyes catch me I lose. If I beat your eyes then you lose. Why are you so opposed to this very balanced game play?