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CCP Soundwave Responds to HD Ship Texture Pack

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2013-06-29 18:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
http://eve-radio.com/downloads/viewdownload/2-ccp-interviews/22-wiggles-talks-to-soundwave-260613

CCP Soundwave wrote:
I believe so. No just ******* with you. There's maintaining and all that stuff. When we look back at some of the stuff that we have done like UI scaling the number of people that use it is so minute that we probably shouldn't have done it. HD would be nice but I don't know if it'd be worth it. I'm not sure that that would be terribly good. We're trying to maximize the benefit for the most people.

The other thing for us is that we have people that play on laptops, people from areas of the world where you may not have the newest and best equipment available. So we have to make sure that we're catering to them. And I do think that our specs are fairly low for the type of game that we are. And I think that's alright. The more people that are here the merrier.


This sounds like a no to me. Dear Sarmatiko has been kind enough to post in this thread several times to suggest otherwise, so who knows! Maybe he's right and this is all a big misunderstanding.

If so, apparently a blatant offer from the art department on stage in front of all of fanfest and the stream, plus 1800+ posts and 1200 likes is not enough to convince Soundwave it would be worth it.

Also, people with laptops are the reason an HD pack would not be released as an optional download? This is a ridiculous concept.

The question asked was in regards to the high resolution ship textures pack. His answer sounds like a pretty clear no to me.

Now, it's possible Soundwave misunderstood and thought the question was about an HD pack for EVERYTHING in EVE, or maybe thought it was some sort of HDTV related thing. I'm pretty sure the question asked was about the high resolution textures.

It's also worth noting that the art department already has the ship textures made, and this is what they were offering. The ship textures we play the game with are downsized versions of the one the art team have (1/4 the size). All that needs to be made is a delivery method.

Katrina Oniseki
Prince Kobol
#2 - 2013-06-29 18:08:43 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
http://eve-radio.com/downloads/viewdownload/2-ccp-interviews/22-wiggles-talks-to-soundwave-260613

CCP Soundwave wrote:
I believe so. No just ******* with you. There's maintaining and all that stuff. When we look back at some of the stuff that we have done like UI scaling the number of people that use it is so minute that we probably shouldn't have done it. HD would be nice but I don't know if it'd be worth it. I'm not sure that that would be terribly good. We're trying to maximize the benefit for the most people.

The other thing for us is that we have people that play on laptops, people from areas of the world where you may not have the newest and best equipment available. So we have to make sure that we're catering to them. And I do think that our specs are fairly low for the type of game that we are. And I think that's alright. The more people that are here the merrier.


So apparently a blatant offer from the art department on stage in front of all of fanfest and the stream, plus 1800+ posts and 1200 likes is not enough to convince Soundwave it would be worth it.

Also, people with laptops are the reason an HD pack would not be released as an optional download? This is a ridiculous concept.



Yes because a few likes on a forum means everybody who plays Eve
Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2013-06-29 18:11:32 UTC
I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-06-29 18:24:11 UTC
I don't see why they can't make it an option. It shouldn't be that big of a problem.

Katrina Oniseki
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-29 18:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Mag's wrote:
I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.

indeed. while I would enjoy a HD tex pack, and I did posted on the thread, the resources needed vs actual benefit, might not make it worthwhile.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-29 18:29:11 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.


Anyone with a decent videocard. Considering this IS a PC game that's anyone with a decent PC.

Now if internal data is showing most are playing with laptops, that's going to be a problem beyond HD textures.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
marVLs
#7 - 2013-06-29 18:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: marVLs
Mag's wrote:
I wonder just how many would use it tbh. He may have a point.


Im sure most of players, who don't want HD nebulas?

It's like POS remap, Fozzie thinks to small number of players is using them so they don't hurry with it... Seriously?
It's true in terms of all EVE players only small number is having/managing POSes, but it's like that because current system is bad, if they make it completly new, intuitive, cool, usefull im sure that most of players will want to have its own space house somewhere there, and PVE players love building things.

That's the proper approach, make it good so everyone want to use it.

They look at some silly things that have only few pages in weeks, but almost 100page topic won't matter?

And laptop users thing? Why even talking about that if this from beginning meant to be optional?

Just ....
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#8 - 2013-06-29 18:37:22 UTC
If it's optional then I can see miners wanting to download it.

But if there is any chance of it slowing the machine ever a micro-tad then I can see people not wanting it in pvp. It's like getting a new Windows machine; the first two days is spent tweaking it and speeding it up from the default settings.

So, make it optional. It would be great. I would even spend my 1 AUR on it.

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Sarmatiko
#9 - 2013-06-29 18:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Quote:
CCP Soundwave Says NO to HD Texture Pack

So where exactly in that quote he says "NO to HD Texture Pack"?
OP why you based this thread on your wrong and misleading assumptions without knowing any real state of decisions around HD pack?

Ace Uoweme wrote:
Now if internal data is showing most are playing with laptops, that's going to be a problem beyond HD textures.

Also their internal data show that 60% of subscribers still use Windows XP. Why would they make HD pack, if 60% of playerbase can't even switch from 12 years old outdated OS ("XP works better on my old PC")?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-29 18:42:57 UTC
What was the question he answered?
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-29 18:44:16 UTC
wow instead of adding something players actually want i'm sure they'll continue adding **** no one wants.

gg going back to your old ways ccp. **** us right?

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#12 - 2013-06-29 18:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Azami Nevinyrall
Actually, CCP said that the most commonly used videocard in EVE is 560ti.

See tessellation demo, they bluntly say it there...

-edit-

This fall under the whole POS changes aswell. True, only a small number of people setup POS' (and in low/null sec it's obvious why you restrict access.) But everyone uses them, in one way or another. HD texture pack falls under similar, everyone will use it her and there, but only a select few will have it on all the time.

The obvious reasoning behind this and many things the CCP promises and fails to deliver is that. The games code is literally broken, and most of the programmers who wrote it moved on for one reason or another. And now it's literally "too hard" to fix. Now it's being ignored, but other MMOS did the same, and they crashed and burned. Others sucked it up and rewrote the whole game from scratch. CCP literally has to do this, and they know it, but in my personal opinion, it's going to be there downfall when they realize that they cannot release any new content because of it. Unless they already reached that point with Incarna, and are just stalling and milking the game and rushing other projects, I.E. Dust 514 which is failing and needs to be fixed, and not cheap marketing gimmicks. (We should know what I'm referring to.) And that vampire mmo, whatever it's called.....something something

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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-29 18:51:01 UTC
At some point they are gonna have to do it.

The graphics look pretty dated. There are no physics... The list goes on...

This game COULD look really good.

Instead, it looks okay. But if that's what's best for the community, then so be it.

Eventually people will upgrade when their hamsters die or their local dictator is finally assassinated, and replaced with a younger, more tech savvy dictator. Twisted

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-06-29 19:03:10 UTC
marVLs wrote:
And laptop users thing? Why even talking about that if this from beginning meant to be optional?


That puzzles me as well. Why are options off the table? That seems to be a common theme here.

There's 2 space sims in the pipeline and they have the graphics, and one already has a concept built...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).

When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will.

Blizzard cleverly implements the best/better features of their direct competition into the game. That is very effective in keeping players in the game (why leave? We have it already deal).

CCP may have to make some harder decisions to keep their market share, especially when the grass is greener on the other side and CCP is still dragging their feet.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Mytai Gengod
Sebees
#15 - 2013-06-29 19:03:28 UTC
While both my desktop and laptop could handle hd graphics, I'm satisfied with current graphics and would rather see dev time spent elsewhere. While I'm not a developer, I do know that it would require more than just the art department to make it happen and maintain it in the future.

That said, if it was available I'd use it.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#16 - 2013-06-29 19:06:42 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Quote:
CCP Soundwave Says NO to HD Texture Pack

So where exactly in that quote he says "NO to HD Texture Pack"?
OP why you based this thread on your wrong and misleading assumptions without knowing any real state of decisions around HD pack?


The question asked was in regards to the high resolution ship textures pack. His answer sounds like a pretty clear no to me.

Now, it's possible Soundwave misunderstood and thought the question was about an HD pack for EVERYTHING in EVE, or maybe thought it was some sort of HDTV related thing. I'm pretty sure the question asked was about the high resolution textures.

Katrina Oniseki
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-06-29 19:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
After listening to it again this seems to be the direct answer to the HD question. "Is the HD pack going to be implemented or not?"

SW wrote:
Oh yes I believe so. No I'm ******* with you. I don't think we are.


The rest of the quote in OP is mostly short responses and explanations, that he gives to the EVE-radio people who are questioning how many people would actually use it, how it might not be worth it and about how you need to design the game for everyone, instead of just the ones who have top of the line machines.
Sarmatiko
#18 - 2013-06-29 19:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).
When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will.
..
CCP may have to make some harder decisions to keep their market share, especially when the grass is greener on the other side and CCP is still dragging their feet.

Star Citizen producer also mentioned that building of one ship will cost from from $35,000 to $150,000. Yes that's right. Either they blinded by kickstarter free money and will go out of budget way before release, or this is a normal sum for model design.

Now think about this every time when you demand Moa re-model or HD texture pack - will this money give any profit in future, or this will be another optional "oh well, my PC cant handle this, I'll revert back to normal textures" feature that used only by small fraction of players.

ps: "competition" with Star Citizen starts only in 2015 if not later. To be more skeptical - there will be no competition at all and game will fail. So EVE is safe for now Bear
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-06-29 19:17:22 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Look at the details, and listen to the producer talk about how high the resolution the textures will be (huge).

When competition steps up it's if you don't deliver, the competition will.

This game isn't a competitor to EVE, directly or otherwise.

It's about as much of a threat to EVE as Starcraft II.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sarmatiko
#20 - 2013-06-29 19:26:06 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

The question asked was in regards to the high resolution ship textures pack. His answer sounds like a pretty clear no to me.

Oh I see. If "It sounds TO YOU that he said CLEAR NO" then it must be true.
Really, who cares what he really said, go get some pitchforks, people. CCP IS LYING AGAIN!! FEARLESS!! AAARRRGHH
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