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Interdictors and Heavy interdictors
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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-08 16:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
So I've decided that I want to become the ultimate space annoyance and specialize in interdiction.

I can't find 2011 threads and articles on interdictor strategy, so here are a few questions:

1. What should I skill for, dictors or heavy dictors? My goal is PvP (All of it: solo, small gang, eventually nullsec fleets)

2. Within each class, what race is currently the best to fly and why? For HICs it seems like the Devoter(armor) and Broadsword(shield) are the most used. Is the saber still the best 'dictor?
I'm considering going full Minmatar despite my Amarr beginnings as it seems that matar ships are awesome at PVP.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-08 16:36:43 UTC
Interdictor pilots need to learn a prayer.

It starts like this:

We who are about to die...
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2011-11-08 16:49:46 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Is the saber still the best 'ceptor?


No, it's still the best Interdictor though. Dictors in general have pretty much no tank whatsoever and will end up being primaried, so be prepared to lose them a lot.

HICtors can have much more tank though, if you have a bit of RR you'll probably walk away from most fights. Which one is best will likely depend on what kind of gang you're flying with. I'd say that the Devoter and Broadsword are probably better in general, because they have the most even resists in their chosen tanking type, making them easier to omni-tank for PvP, but you should be able to fit a sufficient tank of any of them.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-11-08 16:57:22 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Interdictor pilots need to learn a prayer.

It starts like this:

We who are about to die...


I'm ok with this.

mxzf wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Is the saber still the best 'ceptor?


No, it's still the best Interdictor though. Dictors in general have pretty much no tank whatsoever and will end up being primaried, so be prepared to lose them a lot.

HICtors can have much more tank though, if you have a bit of RR you'll probably walk away from most fights. Which one is best will likely depend on what kind of gang you're flying with. I'd say that the Devoter and Broadsword are probably better in general, because they have the most even resists in their chosen tanking type, making them easier to omni-tank for PvP, but you should be able to fit a sufficient tank of any of them.


Woops. 'ceptor edited.

Doesn't RR fail on HICs with their bubble up? Does it work with the focusing script?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-08 17:00:54 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Doesn't RR fail on HICs with their bubble up? Does it work with the focusing script?

no, why would it. Its not a triage module.

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#6 - 2011-11-08 17:03:46 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Doesn't RR fail on HICs with their bubble up? Does it work with the focusing script?


Oh, nevermind, I'd never really read though the WDFG's description or used one, so I missed that. Well, everything else I said about wanting even resists is even more true, since you'll need to survive the fight on your own tank. Make sure you resist/buffer tank rather than active tanking. If you're in a decent gang with any RR at all, you'll be better served with massive EHP and then letting them RR you afterwards than by trying to active tank yourself.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-11-08 17:19:20 UTC
So basically the best use of HICs is in a tag team with a logistics team on standby?

One bubble up at a time, the other gets repped.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-08 18:22:47 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
So basically the best use of HICs is in a tag team with a logistics team on standby?

One bubble up at a time, the other gets repped.


yes
Adekan Solari
Shedload of Zeds
#9 - 2011-11-08 18:37:47 UTC
Personal opinion, the Broadsword is the best of the flock. Granted, it's going to depend if you're with an armor fleet or a shield fleet which you will use. But you can get 200k+ EHP with no implants and decent gang bonuses.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-08 18:39:07 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Interdictor pilots need to learn a prayer.

It starts like this:

We who are about to die...


...don't want to?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-11-08 18:43:34 UTC
Adekan Solari wrote:
Personal opinion, the Broadsword is the best of the flock. Granted, it's going to depend if you're with an armor fleet or a shield fleet which you will use. But you can get 200k+ EHP with no implants and decent gang bonuses.


Well from older guides I get that the Devoter has the ultimate brick buffer tank.
However, a buffer shield tank like a Broadsword has the advantage of passive recharge, even with its bubble up. Is that why you find the Broadsword to be better?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-11-09 06:06:11 UTC
Bump

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
MWDrive
C and H Inc.
#13 - 2011-11-09 15:13:23 UTC
It really depends in what gang are you using it. Primary choice is armor or shield fleet. Obviously you won't bring shield HIC to armor fleet.

Broadsword is fastest, with good tank, best for smaller roam fleets. (btw, it can't get 200+k EHP without CN invuls or a levi+tengu boosting :P)

Onyx has similar tank to broadsword, slightly worse, and it is slower. For bigger fleets it beats broadsword cause you'll want to fit double bubble, cyno, cloak etc., which easily fits on onyx, but broadsword lacks CPU.

Devoter has best tank of all HICs (240k with bonus legion). It has space for good tank, double bubble, cyno, cloak, eccm, cap booster and whatever else you want to fit. Primary choice for amor gangs.

Phobos has worst tank of all. Never flown it, but its only advantage over devoter is 4th midslot.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2011-11-09 23:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
The Onyx is no slouch either when it comes to tank. I'd rate both the Onyx and Broadsword the highest among the HICs.

This fit is from memory, so might be off a bit in the high-slots, so fit to taste (example: a cyno can be fitted instead of the cloak). A LSE can be replaced with a MWD for smaller fleets when you are not always warping to 0 or 100.

[Onyx, An Example]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mona X
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-10 00:11:16 UTC
I find your lack of MWD disturbing.

I need new signature.
Any Guy
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-11-11 23:32:18 UTC
Between the Onyx and the Broadsword the Bs is better as it has a decent T2 EM resist compared to the Onyx. The Onyx needs to use a midslot specifically to bring it's base resists up and therefore has a worse tank.

Some might say that the Onyx's decent Natural kin resistance is worthy but if you add up all the shield resists (250 for an onyx, 269 for a Bs) and the armour resist (209 for an Onyx, 193 for a Broadsword) you can see that as a shield tank the Bs has better base resists.

They have the same slot layout but the Onyx needs 2 Photon Scattering hardeners in it's mids just to equal the Broadsword's natural EM resistance. It's not that simple of course but why be crippled with the low EM in the first place and then suffer with the stacking penalties of the EM hardeners?

The base shield strength of a Onyx is higher and that helps when you do get it hardened correctly. It also has a lot more CPU then the Bs so if you don't fill the high slots with HMLs then you can easily stick in the Cyno's, cloaks, NOS etc that give a FC more tactical options.

I can't compare armour HIcs as I do not fly Gallente but the Triple Plated Devoter can easily do 163k omni tank buffer before leadership bonuses. It cannot regen like the shield ships though so if it's bubble is up for long periods there is the potential for it to suffer.
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#17 - 2011-11-12 06:44:13 UTC
The Phobos looks the best, so I personally would use it. Plus, it's Gallente!

This line for rent! YOUR AD HERE!

Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2011-11-12 07:51:27 UTC
They are all good imo. They all need some degree of logistics support to be really effective in large fleet situations. Personally I would choise the Onyx had i the choise - but - I love my devoter with that massive massive armor tank.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-12 10:33:03 UTC
Mona X wrote:
I find your lack of MWD disturbing.

yes , wtf is with these eft wannabe's , eft should have hardcoded to fit an mwd not optional...
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-11-12 16:12:31 UTC
Green Beans wrote:
The Phobos looks the best, so I personally would use it. Plus, it's Gallente!


You should see how efficient Broadswards are Lol
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