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MAKE TIER 2 T2 BATTLECRUISERS, pleas
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Hurrasimoso
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-11-03 00:19:37 UTC
colm down boys & girls That what says CCP this winter
new battlecruisers and balance changes
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-11-04 03:28:12 UTC
Playing the TL:DR card, so if it was said already, meh.

Anyways, the T2 tier 2s essentially already exist, just with the T1 skins. Nighthawk is pretty much a drake. Sliep->Cane Absolution->harbinger, simply in their play style. The only backwards one is the minmatar where the Eos is very droney like the myrm.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-11-04 07:11:37 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
Rather than new tech 2 BCs I would prefer they just reskinned half of them to the tier 2 skins (i.e. Nighthawk to be Drake skin, Eos to Myrm skin, Slep to Cane and Abso to Harb)


I'm with this guy.

I've mentioned this before as well.

It pretty much seems like someone at CCP got lazy and was supposed to skin the said t2 with with the said tier 2 ships, but the @ss hole manage to d0uche it and put the same skin for both t2 ships.

Really if you look at the stats of the t2 bc's compared to the t1 bc's you'll see that the listed ships actually match better.

Why wouldn't the nighthawk have been the drake skin? I mean, it's a missile boat.

Just seems kinda lazy that someone took 2 ships and gave them the same skin of another ship.

One and one makes sense, but two?

Seriously.

It either screams laziness or it screams stupid.
Aesiron
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-11-04 07:19:40 UTC
Hurrasimoso wrote:
colm down boys & girls That what says CCP this winter
new battlecruisers and balance changes


Those are Tech 1 BCs, this guy is demanding Tech 2.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-11-04 07:30:44 UTC
The suggestion is quite overpowered, I would love a Tech 2 Myrm but as someone has already said creating combat monsters would not balance well.

I would support something with Recon level resists and bonuses to probing/hacking or some other non-combat bonuses.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#26 - 2011-11-04 07:34:36 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Playing the TL:DR card, so if it was said already, meh.

Anyways, the T2 tier 2s essentially already exist, just with the T1 skins. Nighthawk is pretty much a drake. Sliep->Cane Absolution->harbinger, simply in their play style. The only backwards one is the minmatar where the Eos is very droney like the myrm.


... what?
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-11-04 12:15:04 UTC
Give them a signal strength of T1 frigates and a bonus to tractorbeams.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-04 23:13:56 UTC
Tyme Xandr wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Playing the TL:DR card, so if it was said already, meh.

Anyways, the T2 tier 2s essentially already exist, just with the T1 skins. Nighthawk is pretty much a drake. Sliep->Cane Absolution->harbinger, simply in their play style. The only backwards one is the minmatar where the Eos is very droney like the myrm.


... what?


Essentially, the Field command ships, hac based battlecruisers, run pretty much as super upgraded Tier 2 bcs. They just have T1 hull. Only exception is the gallente. The eos is similar to myrm and the astarte is like the brutix.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#29 - 2011-11-05 00:08:44 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Tyme Xandr wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Playing the TL:DR card, so if it was said already, meh.

Anyways, the T2 tier 2s essentially already exist, just with the T1 skins. Nighthawk is pretty much a drake. Sliep->Cane Absolution->harbinger, simply in their play style. The only backwards one is the minmatar where the Eos is very droney like the myrm.


... what?


Essentially, the Field command ships, hac based battlecruisers, run pretty much as super upgraded Tier 2 bcs. They just have T1 hull. Only exception is the gallente. The eos is similar to myrm and the astarte is like the brutix.


I was trolling you for calling EOS a minnie ship ;)
m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#30 - 2011-11-05 00:18:09 UTC
PinkKnife wrote:
I think originally that was the plan. If you'll notice the two types of command ships, one is more combat oriented. It makes perfect sense to have the field command ship be the teir 2 version. It would be easier to simply convert the stats over to the new ships. So the Absolution would then be a harbinger hull, instead of a prophecy hull.

Likewise you'd have a myrm and brutix command ship, a t2 hurricane and claymore, etc.

You would need some rebalancing of the bonuses and such, but it makes sense and keeps you from having to redesign/balance a whole new class of ship.


This. I've been saying this for a while now. The command ships need to be one of each hull. Say Ferox = Vulture and Drake = Nighthawk. It just makes sense...
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#31 - 2011-11-05 00:25:43 UTC
m3talc0re X wrote:
PinkKnife wrote:
I think originally that was the plan. If you'll notice the two types of command ships, one is more combat oriented. It makes perfect sense to have the field command ship be the teir 2 version. It would be easier to simply convert the stats over to the new ships. So the Absolution would then be a harbinger hull, instead of a prophecy hull.

Likewise you'd have a myrm and brutix command ship, a t2 hurricane and claymore, etc.

You would need some rebalancing of the bonuses and such, but it makes sense and keeps you from having to redesign/balance a whole new class of ship.


This. I've been saying this for a while now. The command ships need to be one of each hull. Say Ferox = Vulture and Drake = Nighthawk. It just makes sense...

Agreed.Just take a T2 back And make a Drake/Cane etc new T2 with pros and cons for balance.Solved.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#32 - 2011-11-05 03:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
So much stupidity in this thread... I can't help smiling.

Your fugly drake was introduced at least a year later after NH and the same for the rest. So GFY.

And no, you can't get you already overpowered ships in tech2 hull. That's just too much to ask for.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#33 - 2011-11-05 05:51:01 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
So much stupidity in this thread... I can't help smiling.

Your fugly drake was introduced at least a year later after NH and the same for the rest. So GFY.

And no, you can't get you already overpowered ships in tech2 hull. That's just too much to ask for.


I can feel the anger dwelling within you.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#34 - 2011-11-05 11:43:07 UTC
No anger, just sympathy for the ungifted ones. These pathetic threads pop up on a monthly basis.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#35 - 2011-11-07 17:14:51 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
No anger, just sympathy for the ungifted ones. These pathetic threads pop up on a monthly basis.


Gooooooooood. [ clasps hands together ]
Jon Marburg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-11-07 19:20:53 UTC
If CCP is going to make more Tech 2 battlecruisers, they are going to need to fill a different role than the current ones that already exist. There is no reason just to add more ships just to have more ships. Find a new purpose or reason for them, then we'll talk.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#37 - 2011-11-08 16:35:59 UTC
Jon Marburg wrote:
If CCP is going to make more Tech 2 battlecruisers, they are going to need to fill a different role than the current ones that already exist. There is no reason just to add more ships just to have more ships. Find a new purpose or reason for them, then we'll talk.


But wouldn't it be nice?

As others have stated before it would be nice if the tier one BC's were the CS focused T2 BC's and the tier 2 BC's were the combat focused CS's.

Although, personally I think it would be nice if all T2 ships were altered to look different instead of an antenna here or there and an additional hard point slot on the recolored skin.
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