Issues, Workarounds & Localization

As both Fozzie's post and mine were removed, I think its fair to assume this was not just aimed at the playerbase?

got trolled by ccp fozzie..... doesn't matter had sex lol apology accepted ccp fozzie ;) sry for my not so nice post it just seemed like you were brushing this off as a non issue i still hope you guys can come up with a way to fix this as its pretty sad that pilots are being denied their spoils of war i still don't understand why you can't just poop this stuff out in a super can of some sort that only allows you to take and not deposit like a wreck also while you're at it can you make so you're unable to self destruct ships in a pos

It doesn't work like that though sadly, because there is no lag between you spawning a wormhole into a system and the scanner of the player in there automatically updating their sigs list, the people your trying to fight/gank get an auto instantaneous scanner update, as long as they have the scanner window open, (and who the hell doesn't in w-space), they don't even have to have probes out.

This instantaneous scanner update shows every person in the system you've opened into the name and location of the new signature whilst giving them a swirly DRADUS type thing all over the screen just to ensure they even if they were incredibly slow they simply could not miss it, all the while the people who opened the wormhole are still in warp to it. Now as soon as you open into them they know you are there and warp off to the POS unless they are either sieged or tackled by rats, the same as all the nullbears do as soon as you jump into local.

As a game mechanic it's akin to adding a 30-60 second lag in nullsec to the player jumping into a system hunting ratters before they can do anything, but letting the ratters know instantly that the player hunting them has jumped in, it stacks the odds waaaaay too far in favour of the bears, it's local for w-space in all but the fact that it doesn't give you the name of the people jumping in, and it's like that because CCP implemented a one size fits all scanner update without either a) giving any real thought to its impact on w-space or b) simply not caring.

Back to the matters in hand, since when is criticizing CCP for continuing to tinker with ships and modules etc when they should be fixing this a personal attack on anyone? It's an attack on CCP's priorities not a particular developer or person.

I saw James Arget comment on Reddit something along the lines of he hopes they will fix this issue when they recode POSes which he hopes will be for the next expansion, way to represent there James. Seriously, you think it's acceptable for them to leave this hanging for 12 months or more?

As someone else commented probably on EN24 this is an issue somewhat similar to stealth removing tech or R64's from null sec and not saying anything, leaving all of the nulltards nothing to fight over, it's that game breaking for people in w-space.

I'm guessing that the majority of CCP Devs have no real idea of the weeks worth of effort that goes into setting up an invasion in high end wormholes, infiltrating scouts and spies, hour after hour of monotonous rolling to seed capitals so that you have a fighting chance against the large number of caps most established people have in their homes, then trying to maintain wormhole control and keep POSes bubbled for days when you do get in there, so the defender can't warp their assets out and log them in a safe, an invader can easily be risking 50-70 bill+ in assets.

When you consider the scale of nullsec wealth that's a drop in the ocean, but the reality is most of the C5 corps are small tight knit groups, sure some of them can be much larger or can be members of big alliances, but your talking about 20-40 people most of the time on either side, on that scale, the level of asset commitment is substantial. If were going to risk tens of billions of ISK in assets there needs to be some sort of incentive or reward, that reward is the content of the SMAs, null sec fight for moon goo, we fight for the content of the SMAs and the ISK value is all in larger ships, because it is laughably easy to strip all faction mods from ships in SMA's in cloaky nullified T3s and warp it to a safe and log, this is what happens to the smaller valuable items, the only value we get from invasions tend to be the ship hulls and caps that they can't log off or self destruct, this is why womholers consider this to be a matter of the utmost importance.

When you jet a corpse, it appears in space as a corpse, not as a can. That means there must be some sort of check to see whether the item being jettisoned is a corpse or not.

Extend that corpse check to check for containers. If you are jettisoning a container, don't try to put it in a container itself, let it be placed into space as its own object. Basically, if the code checks "if ( item->isCorpse() )" make it check "if ( item->isCorpse() || item->isContainer() )". Unpackaged ships are certainly containers, though packaged ships may not be. Shrink-wrapped parcels are also containers. Freight cans, secure cans, etc. are obviously containers. I could accept losing packaged battleships for now if the rest were available.

The code is (or should be) simple to fix, though there may be other ramifications to consider. But failing a complete and proper fix, this seems an acceptable workaround in the interim.

The new scanning mechanics are stupid. The probe formations they've given us are the equivalent of a single probe, with one formation a single large probe and the other a smaller probe. If that's what they wanted to do they should have just changed to a single probe system. And none of that gets to the fact that anyone paying any attention knows if you've opened into them the instant you've done so. No more sneaking around and hitting them before they know you're there. Its as if CCP brought local to wspace.

Similarly, the new jump animation is terrible. Making the game unplayable for some of your players and having no alternatives smacks of terrible planning.

Nice to know the Devs consider WH space a valid part of the game *sarcasm*

This is a pretty important issue to a lot of us, so it's frustrating that a fix isn't currently being worked on.

+1

From a toon that enjoys exploring from low sec into Wormhole Space and null sec - Part of my exploration consists of searching and finding hidden treasures. The problem with this 'bug' for myself is, i see no point in exploring areas where there is no opportunity.

Corporations/Alliances should be punished for not keeping their POS's online and although this is still the case, there is no reward for pilots for there actions.

Plenty of posts include good suggestions for this problem. Let's start seeing some action CCP.

So this is why nothing drops...

I must say after spending 3 months in rehab for mostly an eve addiction, coming back to odyssey and getting acquainted with everything. Odyssey, just one big heap of **** I didn't need want, or see a use for.
Great for rsi though .

The irony of it all lies in the fact that you nailed the most active explorers, Odysseus would probably stab you all in the eye.
But at least you know how to get past the sirens!

3 months in rehab didn't make quit, but this ****** expansion might.

I do not forgive.

Fat loot, get at me.