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PvP is totally uncompetitive and unfair

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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints
#41 - 2013-06-29 01:06:19 UTC
Pvp is unfair. The way to win is to be the one doing the unfair, rather than having the unfair done to you.
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#42 - 2013-06-29 01:11:35 UTC
Learning PVP takes a ton of time. Do not underestimate it and do not give up. Try out as much as you can until you find out what fits you. There will be a time when you notice your "shift" to the more experienced side. You will still die tho..just less. Lol
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#43 - 2013-06-29 01:11:56 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Get gallente destroyer I and Weapon Upgrades I.

Fit a 200 dps catalyst.

Go find friends.

Gank miners.



yes..... true EvE fun :)

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Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#44 - 2013-06-29 01:33:03 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Get gallente destroyer I and Weapon Upgrades I.

Fit a 200 dps catalyst.

Go find friends.

Gank miners.



yes..... true EvE fun :)

This is actually the first thing I did in my EvE career. The high gunnery skills you quickly accrue are really handy for fitting PVP frigates, I've found.

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#45 - 2013-06-29 02:11:38 UTC
If you're in a fair fight in Eve, someone made a mistake.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Major Niall
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-06-29 02:15:06 UTC
OP, sounds like you're trying to solo pvp. Solo PvP can be notoriously skill intensive, because most of the other people who do it have high SP. PvP as a newbie can still be really fun though, you just gotta find a group to pvp with. A browse of the recruitment forums should come up with something that sounds interesting, alternatively hit me up ingame and I can point you towards an excellent training corp who takes even 1 day newbies and teaches them to be a positive part of a pvp gang and make isk.
Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-06-29 02:23:41 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Pvp is unfair. The way to win is to be the one doing the unfair, rather than having the unfair done to you.


Or until you have enough iskies not to care about fair. Pirate
Grimpak
Manufactorum.
#48 - 2013-06-29 02:50:04 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Pvp is unfair. The way to win is to be the one doing the unfair, rather than having the unfair done to you.

if it's a fair fight, somebody ****** up.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-06-29 03:00:59 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
i have no T2 weapons or ships trained.
i am 2013 player
http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1600685
admitedly none of this is solo 1v1 pvp but EvE is a MMO. You are supposed to play with friends.
Also i suck at all aspects of PVP. i am trying to learn how to fit, i am trying to learn different ships capabilites and how to counter them, i am trying to learn manual piloting. Making friends with people that are good at these things and learning from what they say and from watching what they do is awesome.
Last night i even timed some tackling runs well enough that i tackled something instead of my normal too soon they blapped me or too late they are gone.
I think my point is this. Enjoying PVP as a low SP char is down to you not the game design. Winning at PvP is at least as much about player skills as it is about SP. If you are determined to play solo then u will lose a lot of ships before you start killing stuff
http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.co.uk/ this blog will show you the mindset and learning curve needed. It is one of many such blogs read it from the beginning.
TL/DR . when you lose fights you can either learn and adapt or rush whining to the forums.


What folks don't get is if you're not just an EvE player, the kill register system in this game is very unrewarding and unfinished.

I just looked at one of your killmails, and yep you played in a group and the group got credit for the kills...everyone.

But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.

EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).

Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Throne_of_Thunder/hps/

Among my peer roles, by what I do?

In a spreadsheet game the main fighting spreadsheet has less info than Recount does in WoW (we don't have killmails, we have realtime comprehensive stats broken down by roles ingame provided by addons, and everyone in a group/raid can see it). If I want to show a"killmail" out of game and across realms, I'll link a WoL link that breaks everything down to timelines of what spell was used even.

This is another reason why I'm not very hot in playing PvP in EvE. The game doesn't have those comprehensive combat stats in real time (and this too is something CCP can improve on...and with a more robust API).

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Lailoken Emrys
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-06-29 03:14:30 UTC
""Hi, I -just- started playing and I'm sad that I can't kill everything in a 1v1, so the game is bad."
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#51 - 2013-06-29 03:19:21 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.

EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).

Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?

Someone will hopefully remind you to go back to wow.

Everyone fighting to help test keep those moons it sold to that guy: make sure to put a gun on your logistics. Every single highslot spent on getting on killmails helps, thanks.

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Bob Blunts
#52 - 2013-06-29 03:21:08 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS



I haven't bothered to read this thread, but I'm wondering if you could be any more wrong in this post if you tried. Join RvB or a good null alliance and lrn2herotackle. Whatever you do, stop lying to new players who arent as bitter and whiny as you. I have a 1.2 million SP alt in RvB that gets kills all the time.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-06-29 03:28:13 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:

But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.

EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).

Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?

Someone will hopefully remind you to go back to wow.

Everyone fighting to help test keep those moons it sold to that guy: make sure to put a gun on your logistics. Every single highslot spent on getting on killmails helps, thanks.


Why would I need to go back to WoW? When I can play both, and actually know what I'm talking about?

If you don't play the game, you are clueless.

Hey, but it's a Goon it's to be expected! Bear

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Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#54 - 2013-06-29 03:45:03 UTC
Bob Blunts wrote:
I haven't bothered to read this thread, but I'm wondering if you could be any more wrong in this post if you tried. Join RvB or a good null alliance and lrn2herotackle. Whatever you do, stop lying to new players who arent as bitter and whiny as you. I have a 1.2 million SP alt in RvB that gets kills all the time.

But are they ~solo~ kills, or are you a blobbing, off-grid boosting "cheater"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#55 - 2013-06-29 03:48:36 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Bob Blunts wrote:
I haven't bothered to read this thread, but I'm wondering if you could be any more wrong in this post if you tried. Join RvB or a good null alliance and lrn2herotackle. Whatever you do, stop lying to new players who arent as bitter and whiny as you. I have a 1.2 million SP alt in RvB that gets kills all the time.

But are they ~solo~ kills, or are you a blobbing, off-grid boosting "cheater"


Confirming that having friends and being organized is overpowered.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#56 - 2013-06-29 03:49:11 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
If you're in a fair fight in Eve, both sides made a mistake.

FTFY

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-06-29 04:11:19 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun


Well, there's your problem!

Look Padawan, you can't go out on your own as a noob and pew....by yourself...unless you know exactly what you're doing which implies you're not a noob.

But you can pew as a noob. You just have to do it with others filling noob rolls in a fleet. 1v1 doesn't exist in Eve cept for very experienced and knowledgeable pilots. There are so many pitfalls along the way, most of which you're already run into, even for those guys.

Every fleet needs a tackle....and that's traditionally, a role that can be filled by noobs. If you want to brawl, yeah, you're gonna need mad skillz.

Don't ban me, bro!

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-06-29 04:19:42 UTC
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Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

rey Aumer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-06-29 04:26:06 UTC
Honestly, in what MMO, or game at all, can you go in with a new character and expect to compete with high level characters?
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-06-29 04:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
rey Aumer wrote:
Honestly, in what MMO, or game at all, can you go in with a new character and expect to compete with high level characters?


FPS games you can be a buck private newbie and wipe the battlefield.

FPS games have gear normalization and it's about dexterity skills, not some shiny new gear or unlock that wins.

PvP in MMOs just doesn't compare it's m-u-c-h slower (EvE is even slower than WoW). When I play BF3 I'm not right clicking for 15mins trying to down a ship, if I don't kill 3 at a time in less than 15 seconds, I'll be dead.

When I was playing BF2142 I thought I'd never get that knifing badge (needed to kill 17 players within a match). Matches usually are 30mins or less, so that's less than 1 kill per minute...with a knife and the other guy with his rifle. First badge I got I podded and jumped down on a squad and killed them all in less than 15 seconds. To get the gold badge, it was only completed when I spent 3 days in knifing hell (even on a friendly fire 1024ms South African server!!!) trying to nab DICE Dogtags. Managed to get in the top 20 for the feat.

And Granny did it. Pure skills, too.

FPS = Right to Work. MMOs = Union shop.

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