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Is this game really that hardcore

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-08 15:54:44 UTC
Its promoted as the coldest of the cold where anything goes but..not really

The point about this game is that you choice your level. I know hundreds of people in this game and most of them are hardly ever ganked or die for any reason. they mission, they mine, they build. When they die they normally die in wars or roams.

The only people i know who die on a regular basis are those in Nullsec running small gangs or fighting for space.


You can scam people in this game but all MMOs have plenty of scams and the moderators just accept it as part of the game.


As an example Diablo Hardcore is far tougher than EVE

You die once and once only and then you lose the character and all equipment they have. A Zod rune has a 50% chance of dropping for every 100,000 hours played.

Imagine dying in this game and losing your ship, everything in your hangars and waking up with 50k skillpoints instead of 50 million.

Its not as hardcore as people say it is.


Your angry thoughts please
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#2 - 2011-11-08 15:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Karn Dulake wrote:
As an example Diablo Hardcore is far tougher than EVE

You die once and once only and then you lose the character and all equipment they have. A Zod rune has a 50% chance of dropping for every 100,000 hours played.

Imagine dying in this game and (..) waking up with 50k skillpoints instead of 50 million.

Its not as hardcore as people say it is.

hardcore, nah, as you said there's not even permadeath!
The risk of really losing something substantial is very small for the average EVE player.

Imagine all the cowering vets when their preciousss SP suddely would be at stake. Unimaginable!
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-11-08 15:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
I've been playing for two months and no.

Don't be dumb and don't fly a ship worth 95% of your wallet.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#4 - 2011-11-08 15:59:02 UTC
In other news, apples taste NOTHING like oranges, despite their constant comparisons.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Brock Nelson
#5 - 2011-11-08 15:59:30 UTC
Those who feel that it's not hardcore is because they're playing the game in single player mode.

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Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#6 - 2011-11-08 16:00:36 UTC
In spite of your attempt to get angry responses... You get out of EvE what you put into it. If you never undock, or run missions intelligently, you are likely to never die. If you go looking for the hardcore you are likely to find it.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#7 - 2011-11-08 16:01:57 UTC
I realize you're using hyperbole but do you want it as hardcore as the Diablo example you give?

If you could in fact go from 50m to 50k due to a death would that please you?

Seems to me nobody would undock. Would you?

Compare pvp in EvE to say, pvp in WoW. How's the contrast now? How's the pain by comparison after a "defeat?"

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-08 16:09:49 UTC
Famble wrote:
I realize you're using hyperbole but do you want it as hardcore as the Diablo example you give?

If you could in fact go from 50m to 50k due to a death would that please you?

Seems to me nobody would undock. Would you?

Compare pvp in EvE to say, pvp in WoW. How's the contrast now? How's the pain by comparison after a "defeat?"




Very true.

Ive never played WOW but im sure that when you pvp there is no chesty pumpy that you get in EVE.

But when you die in this game what you lose is time. The time spent grinding for your ship.


The thing about diablo hardcore mode(just an example) is that people are actively trying to kill you even though they cannot get your stuff. Hardcore griefer central.

But if people lost 1,000,000 SP every time they lost there ship this game would be more hardcore and the super tough hardcore that troll these forums would have the most tears and be the most vocal about it
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#9 - 2011-11-08 16:13:29 UTC
I'll throw this out there for you to think about.

After a couple cocktails on some weekdays I like to scan out people's wormholes and run their sites. I can tell you, without exception that while I'm cleaning out a site then moving my alt in to salvage then finally moving us both back out to empire to sell my loot I am scared. A good scared to be sure, but scared just the same. I get an adrenaline rush that no other game has provided since way back in EverQuest's infancy.

That's my definition of hardcore. I suppose everyone's is different though.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#10 - 2011-11-08 16:21:18 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
...
The only people i know who die on a regular basis are those in Nullsec running small gangs or fighting for space.
...


Worm holes, high sec war decs - apparently we are doing it wrong.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#11 - 2011-11-08 16:25:13 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:

But when you die in this game what you lose is time. The time spent grinding for your ship.


Do you not lose time in the other game as well? Time grinding for your levels or skills or gear?

For the most part, EVE's harshness is the single world with open rules and the people that populate it trying to twist every advantage they can from the unwary.

What you described as hardcore about Diablo is a rule mechanic that can be opted out of by not choosing that mode.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-11-08 16:30:45 UTC
Eve has a hardcore mode - everytime you die, biomass that character and start a new one.

There, hardcore mode on.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Jenny Cameron
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-08 16:32:42 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Eve has a hardcore mode - everytime you die, biomass that character and start a new one.

There, hardcore mode on.

Indeed, hello Kitty Island is just as hardcore as EVE ^^
CCP Necrogoat
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2011-11-08 16:34:53 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
In other news, apples taste NOTHING like oranges, despite their constant comparisons.

http://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume1/v1i3/air-1-3-apples.html

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Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#15 - 2011-11-08 16:35:56 UTC
Jenny Cameron wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Eve has a hardcore mode - everytime you die, biomass that character and start a new one.

There, hardcore mode on.

Indeed, hello Kitty Island is just as hardcore as EVE ^^


Hello kitty most hardcore kitty.


Yes, I intended for your mind to go there. Enjoy.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-08 16:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Now that I think about it it's the forums that are really hard core... sheesh double post Oops
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-08 16:40:35 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Its promoted as the coldest of the cold where anything goes but..not really


Yeah this is a game for wimps.

What are you doing here?


But I agree with this:

Gazmin VanBurin wrote:
In spite of your attempt to get angry responses... You get out of EvE what you put into it. If you never undock, or run missions intelligently, you are likely to never die. If you go looking for the hardcore you are likely to find it.
Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-08 16:45:22 UTC
baal runs on an invincible hammerdin aren't as difficult as wrangling X-amount of mouth-breathers to complete a task in eve.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2011-11-08 16:49:24 UTC
I dunno about these other guys, but I am pretty hardcore...

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Ann133566
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-11-08 16:52:35 UTC
It's a funny thing death in games. I mean in PvP in some games you die so much you just shrug your shoulders and get on with it. I remember playing another MMO called darkfall, I would just run around naked everywhere because I would be ganked and I didn't want to lose anything valuable. If I was brave I would put some trousers on. I stopped playing because it became tedious dying so many times.

In contrast, playing another MMO in PVE mode where you only seem to die in raids is dull also. I think there has to be a balance where you die enough for the game to be scary but not enough for it to become meaningless. Besides, I don't think the word "hardcore" belongs to a computer game. I mean seriously... soldiering in Afghanistan is hardcore, saving people from a burning building is hardcore. Playing a computer game is just passing the time doing something you enjoy.
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