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Low-Security Space is VERY hostile towards new players.

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Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#81 - 2013-06-28 00:33:58 UTC
Maybe you should learn to probe. Find wormholes that will bring you to Low sec and Null sec... Then you dont have to go through the big bad gate camps that your speaking of.
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-06-28 05:04:09 UTC
To be honest, i would like to know what lowsec would be like if gatecamping wasn't viable.

What do you guys think? Does gate-camping really have no impact on the usability of low sec? Would there/should there be better ways to catch people in low besides camping gates?

Discuss
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#83 - 2013-06-28 08:59:38 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
The Problem:
Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.

A little of everything?
Yep, The list includes:
Mining Laser
Combat Laser
Missile Launcher
Probe Launcher
Shield Extenders
Small armor Repairer
Salvage Drones

So what to do about it?

#1 The content is far too severe for these type of ships to be competitive.
This leads us to two paths:
Fix the ships
Fix the Content

#2 The competition is fairly extreme as advanced players with skill points in excess of 25 to 30 million SP are competing for the exact same resources.
This leads us to two paths:
Increase the density of content
Create more low-security systems.

#3 Entering low-sec is very difficult
This leads us to two paths
Increase the Size of Low-sec gates so they are not as easily camped
Create a Jump timer where folks changing "sec" get a 30 second invulnerability timer to warp off, making camping inter-sec gates profitless.

Flame Retardant:
#1 I realize that some of the problems are related to "lack of knowledge" and that is partially responsible for bad fits.

#2 I am aware this is supposed to be a multi-player game, but when there is not enough content to go around it gets boring.

#3 I am not trying to kill pirates as a profession there are lots of gates that connect low to low, null to null that can be camped effectively. As a matter of fact if the transition gates were protected you'd have lots more people in the low-sec systems to kill.

The Sendoff:
Thanks for reading, I hope we can get some constructive comments that will improve low-security space for new players as well as our valued veterans.


sorry but you fail on one point:

one can go throught ANY low sec gate camp, with ANY ship, there is no bubble.

now, it require a bit of skills, both ingame and as a player, but this can be achieved.

the only thing that could catch you 100% is smartbombs, but if you are bigger than a frig, they won't kill you anyway, and if you keep clear from 2-3 well known lowsec, you will probably never see those anyway.

in a nutshell: l2p

ps: i have corpmates who live in a deep lowsec pocket, wich entry point are almost alwas camped, they are 1-2 weeks old for some of them, and they already laught at gate campers
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#84 - 2013-06-28 10:15:52 UTC
Disagree with OP. The problem is that highsec and the baddies who live there are too coddling to new players. EVE is a hostile game. New players need to learn that first and foremost, not be babied by other babies
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#85 - 2013-06-28 15:06:15 UTC
1. Scout around with a no-risk rookie ship and learn the territory.
2. Get friends. Get into intel channels
3. There are plenty of dead low sec systems to live in and be all by yourself - if that's what you want to do.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-06-28 15:12:29 UTC
Not that many gates are camped anyway. Even if your jumping into busy systems it is extremely unlikely you will die.

Half of low sec is pretty much entirely devoid of people anyway.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
commander aze
#87 - 2013-06-28 15:47:23 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
The Problem:
Far too many "little of everything" ships piloted by EVE's most valuable sort of player "The Brave Newcomer" are destroyed in low-sec on a daily basis.

A little of everything?
Yep, The list includes:
Mining Laser
Combat Laser
Missile Launcher
Probe Launcher
Shield Extenders
Small armor Repairer
Salvage Drones

So what to do about it?

#1 The content is far too severe for these type of ships to be competitive.
This leads us to two paths:
Fix the ships
Fix the Content

#2 The competition is fairly extreme as advanced players with skill points in excess of 25 to 30 million SP are competing for the exact same resources.
This leads us to two paths:
Increase the density of content
Create more low-security systems.

#3 Entering low-sec is very difficult
This leads us to two paths
Increase the Size of Low-sec gates so they are not as easily camped
Create a Jump timer where folks changing "sec" get a 30 second invulnerability timer to warp off, making camping inter-sec gates profitless.

Flame Retardant:
#1 I realize that some of the problems are related to "lack of knowledge" and that is partially responsible for bad fits.

#2 I am aware this is supposed to be a multi-player game, but when there is not enough content to go around it gets boring.

#3 I am not trying to kill pirates as a profession there are lots of gates that connect low to low, null to null that can be camped effectively. As a matter of fact if the transition gates were protected you'd have lots more people in the low-sec systems to kill.

The Sendoff:
Thanks for reading, I hope we can get some constructive comments that will improve low-security space for new players as well as our valued veterans.



I'm sorry there is no problem based stupidity for these players entering low... they are not ready to go but they do it anyways.

the real problem is people dont learn how to fit ships till like 4 months in after they die a few times. or join a good corp

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