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Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-28 13:29:28 UTC
what's special about Osmon, that prevents an alpha group from travelling elsewhere?

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#22 - 2013-06-28 13:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar
Feanira Darr wrote:
what's special about Osmon, that prevents an alpha group from travelling elsewhere?


Its one of the only places you can run L4 sisters of eve agents. The probe launchers in their LP store are really good and easy to cash in the LP.

EDIT they also have fancey implants in their store with good LP conversion rates.
Dorrann
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-06-28 14:33:25 UTC
dexington wrote:
Why are we allowed to run missions without having to compete against other players?, no other profession is allowed to do that.

Trading, exploration, production, mining and so on, are all influenced by the constant competition of other players. People might move to you area and start competing against you for the best sites, or constantly undercut your market orders. The market might get flooded with items, like we are seeing at the moment with data and relic items.

All professions are influenced by other players, except missions. As a mission runner you are payed by the npc, totally unaffected by other players. No matter how many players use the same agent the rewards are always the same, there is absolutely no player vs. player competition.

I know some are going to say, "another nerf mission thread", and i guess it is... but i'm not saying nerf the income, just make it more competitive, rewards smart, skilled, competitive playgame more then "afk" mission running.


Or, more accurately....... WHAAAA I DONT LIKE OTHER PEOPLE DOING STUFF I DONT LIKE !!! FIXX ITTTTT NAOWWWWWW !!!!!1111!!!

Grow up.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#24 - 2013-06-28 14:49:57 UTC
Dexington, all players are effected by mission runners, as there are limited activities in EVE that actually create ISK, mission running is essential to all market, PVP, PVE, exploration, and anything else you can think of. Without the ISK printed by mission runners there would be no economy and no EVE.

So find a carebear and thank him for making the game you play possible.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#25 - 2013-06-28 15:23:57 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Dexington, all players are effected by mission runners, as there are limited activities in EVE that actually create ISK, mission running is essential to all market, PVP, PVE, exploration, and anything else you can think of. Without the ISK printed by mission runners there would be no economy and no EVE.

So find a carebear and thank him for making the game you play possible.


I prefer to think my ISK was generated by insurance payouts.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#26 - 2013-06-28 15:37:43 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Dexington, all players are effected by mission runners, as there are limited activities in EVE that actually create ISK, mission running is essential to all market, PVP, PVE, exploration, and anything else you can think of. Without the ISK printed by mission runners there would be no economy and no EVE.

So find a carebear and thank him for making the game you play possible.


I prefer to think my ISK was generated by insurance payouts.

It's a good thought but diminishing returns means that ISK eventually will dry up and disappear.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#27 - 2013-06-28 15:50:06 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Dexington, all players are effected by mission runners, as there are limited activities in EVE that actually create ISK, mission running is essential to all market, PVP, PVE, exploration, and anything else you can think of. Without the ISK printed by mission runners there would be no economy and no EVE.

So find a carebear and thank him for making the game you play possible.


I prefer to think my ISK was generated by insurance payouts.

It's a good thought but diminishing returns means that ISK eventually will dry up and disappear.


I don't follow; what diminishing returns?
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#28 - 2013-06-28 15:59:25 UTC
Insure a BS and the pay-out might get you a BC, probably a Cruiser, lose the cruiser and you might get a t2 frig but most likely a T1 frig, lose the frig and you can get a shuttle.

Diminishing returns.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#29 - 2013-06-28 16:07:21 UTC
Even if the only reward from missions were ISK, you are still competing with other players.

Consider running the 100 meter dash. You are not allowed to attack, trip or interfere with any of the other runners. Yet its still considered a competition, so much so its in the Olympics.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#30 - 2013-06-28 16:12:48 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Insure a BS and the pay-out might get you a BC, probably a Cruiser, lose the cruiser and you might get a t2 frig but most likely a T1 frig, lose the frig and you can get a shuttle.

Diminishing returns.

I mine and build a BS. It explodes and I get ISK. I mine and build another.. repeat as needed and I get a supply of ISK.

Insurance is a ISK source into the game in that its coming from NPCs, just like mission ISK. However, I doubt its sufficient to have a healthy economy.

On the other hand with more people exploring there are fewer running missions.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#31 - 2013-06-28 16:56:37 UTC
No idea of what you are talking about?

I can jump in your mission right now and start taking the bounty and salvage.

People cry about it all the time.

What you do is sit cloaked off of a station with probes out of sight. You scan the mission ships for their ID number, its good all day. Then when you want to compete with them, you simply ignore all the other results from your combat scanner probes.



internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-28 17:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: imbaRabbit
Cipher Jones wrote:

What you do is sit cloaked off of a station with probes out of sight. You scan the mission ships for their ID number, its good all day. Then when you want to compete with them, you simply ignore all the other results from your combat scanner probes.


This. Not many people know about this fact ... And that's how I find some people instantly within system filled up with 200+ active mission runners in space. Does not matter where you are when someone gets your ship ID. It does not change, even after down-time, even after re-docking, even after changing ships.

EDIT: I have no clue why I don't finish my thread until the end but I always have to edit things -_- ... Anyway, this is something what CCP should look into, because you can harass someone until oblivion and IMHO that's quite game-breaking experience. Although there is some kind of realism within the system o_O?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#33 - 2013-06-28 18:45:20 UTC
Posting in a stealth "nerf missions" thread.
Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-28 19:21:51 UTC
imbaRabbit wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

What you do is sit cloaked off of a station with probes out of sight. You scan the mission ships for their ID number, its good all day. Then when you want to compete with them, you simply ignore all the other results from your combat scanner probes.


This. Not many people know about this fact ... And that's how I find some people instantly within system filled up with 200+ active mission runners in space. Does not matter where you are when someone gets your ship ID. It does not change, even after down-time, even after re-docking, even after changing ships.

EDIT: I have no clue why I don't finish my thread until the end but I always have to edit things -_- ... Anyway, this is something what CCP should look into, because you can harass someone until oblivion and IMHO that's quite game-breaking experience. Although there is some kind of realism within the system o_O?

ship ID stays the same through the game for evar?

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#35 - 2013-06-28 20:17:36 UTC
imbaRabbit wrote:

This. Not many people know about this fact ... And that's how I find some people instantly within system filled up with 200+ active mission runners in space. Does not matter where you are when someone gets your ship ID. It does not change, even after down-time, even after re-docking, even after changing ships.


so its actualy character id and not ship id, thats interesting to know.
Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-28 20:34:56 UTC
that's ******* fantastic to know!

learned something amazing today.

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#37 - 2013-06-28 20:56:35 UTC
Feanira Darr wrote:
that's ******* fantastic to know!

learned something amazing today.



not saying that's how it is, but if the post I quoted is true, guess it would be a better name for it :) gonna do some testing when I get home in a couple of days, see for myself how it is :)
Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-06-28 21:32:21 UTC
Mudkest wrote:
Feanira Darr wrote:
that's ******* fantastic to know!

learned something amazing today.



not saying that's how it is, but if the post I quoted is true, guess it would be a better name for it :) gonna do some testing when I get home in a couple of days, see for myself how it is :)

me too. not that it's hard to probe down battleships, but still. damn

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2013-06-28 21:55:47 UTC
no its ship and resets at downtime.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-28 22:01:45 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
no its ship and resets at downtime.

still OP.

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC