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Skill-Time for Plex

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suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#181 - 2013-06-27 13:35:30 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
suid0 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few


Pretty sure the current system works for everyone... the same for everyone..


why do those threads pop up then so often? don't you think thats because people have an issue with the current system?


They pop up because there are so many impatient new players who want to fly everything --right now-- with all T2 gear & perfect skills etc.

That still doesn't make them good ideas, or even a good motive for change.

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#182 - 2013-06-27 13:57:15 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
you explain nothing...[snipped rubbish]

No further explanation is needed. You've had all of it sufficiently explained to you. You either refuse to listen to the explanation claiming that no one has explained anything or you genuinely don't understand. Your lack of comprehension doesn't mean there aren't good reasons and explanations. It means you don't understand them or if you're intentionally ignoring the explanations you've been provided with it proves you're a troll and should be ignored. Either way, you won't get what you want because CCP aren't really really stupid which is what would be required for them to listen to you on this.

Harry Forever wrote:
at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few, at some point you will get that, however I'm pretty sure as well, with your attitude, you will not be the one coming up with that groundbreaking idea

That's where you're dead wrong. These threads will keep coming, sure. CCP won't do anything about it as this skill progression concept was designed by them, has been working fine for 10 years and has the massive majority of players behind it as the concepts required to understand why it's necessary really aren't that difficult to comprehend.

You seem to think that your idea would benefit the majority and in that you're wrong too. In fact, I haven't read anything in any of the threads you've posted in where you're right about anything. This also lends itself to the theory that either you're a troll or you lack understanding and that's putting it mildy.

Considering the fact that you can obviously argue well and don't appear to be completely stupid I think I'll call you out as a troll.

+10 for trolling

-1000 for your truly stupid idea.
Pixel Face
Doomheim
#183 - 2013-06-27 14:23:47 UTC
This is how it is done in eve

1) Buy plex ( what you wanted to do anyhow)

2) Goto character Bazar

3) Buy your NEW character that has all the skills you you wanted to buy

4) Pay with RL money or Plex since its a transaction

5) Enjoy your new self

If for some reason you still want to buy training time with plex, i suggest you stop playing this game. i know people have trouble adjusting to EVE after playing other PG MMO.

Adjust to the environment. don't like it you can always go back to your old MMO where they allowed such transactions for kids.

As for CCP, they should not have this feature, as it would undermine the character Bazar and undervalue the effort people have put to train their character.

Long Live the Skill Q.



Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#184 - 2013-06-27 18:03:57 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Considering the fact that you can obviously argue well and don't appear to be completely stupid I think I'll call you out as a troll.

+10 for trolling

-1000 for your truly stupid idea.

wow, wow, wow... take it easy. He is been playing for 2 months only (he can claim that its his alt). Lets see if he'll have same ideas in a year or two if hes still around.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

Obi Wan Shinobi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2013-06-27 18:34:30 UTC
so many butthurt bitter veterans.

I for one like this idea. it makes perfect sense. they could even make it so that 1 plex can be redeemed for a certian amount of SP to be allocated to skill(s)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#186 - 2013-06-28 11:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Tchulen wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you explain nothing...[snipped rubbish]

No further explanation is needed. You've had all of it sufficiently explained to you. You either refuse to listen to the explanation claiming that no one has explained anything or you genuinely don't understand. Your lack of comprehension doesn't mean there aren't good reasons and explanations. It means you don't understand them or if you're intentionally ignoring the explanations you've been provided with it proves you're a troll and should be ignored. Either way, you won't get what you want because CCP aren't really really stupid which is what would be required for them to listen to you on this.

Harry Forever wrote:
at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few, at some point you will get that, however I'm pretty sure as well, with your attitude, you will not be the one coming up with that groundbreaking idea

That's where you're dead wrong. These threads will keep coming, sure. CCP won't do anything about it as this skill progression concept was designed by them, has been working fine for 10 years and has the massive majority of players behind it as the concepts required to understand why it's necessary really aren't that difficult to comprehend.

You seem to think that your idea would benefit the majority and in that you're wrong too. In fact, I haven't read anything in any of the threads you've posted in where you're right about anything. This also lends itself to the theory that either you're a troll or you lack understanding and that's putting it mildy.

Considering the fact that you can obviously argue well and don't appear to be completely stupid I think I'll call you out as a troll.

+10 for trolling

-1000 for your truly stupid idea.


the concept is flawed because it hinders people to get into the game, its wait to win vs. pay to win, in that case I prefer the second if they can not come up with something better, I would even suggest you can purchase skill-points with ISK, so a good trader has the possibility to get stronger faster, at the moment this is just a hold back for skilled players, yea I know thats what you need...

however CCP will have to do it someday, either like mentioned 1-3 month of SP plexable a year, or dual skill training or whatever, the system like there is now, holds people back for too long who want to move in faster, 10 years ago it was fine because all started at the same level, but as the game gets older this is becoming a bigger issue
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#187 - 2013-06-28 11:52:51 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

however CCP will have to do it someday, either like mentioned 1-3 month of SP plexable a year, or dual skill training or whatever, the system like there is now, holds people back for too long who want to move in faster, 10 years ago it was fine because all started at the same level, but as the game gets older this is becoming a bigger issue


It's not an issue because of character trading.

The fact it takes time to train skills is the whole point of having skills with different benefits, levels and training time multipliers.

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#188 - 2013-06-28 12:03:47 UTC
suid0 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

however CCP will have to do it someday, either like mentioned 1-3 month of SP plexable a year, or dual skill training or whatever, the system like there is now, holds people back for too long who want to move in faster, 10 years ago it was fine because all started at the same level, but as the game gets older this is becoming a bigger issue


It's not an issue because of character trading.

The fact it takes time to train skills is the whole point of having skills with different benefits, levels and training time multipliers.



the character trading is an issue, because player decide the price of SP and not CCP

the whole process needs to be in the hand of CCP completely via plexable SP

however with certain limitations like mentioned, 1-3 month SP plexable per year

at the moment rich players could basically purchase those high trained characters to limit them on the market, and therefore raise the prices extremely, CCP at some point will want to have full control of this process and decide how much SP is worth via plex
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#189 - 2013-06-28 13:17:36 UTC
Player price is decided by supply, demand, usefulness and what people are actually willing to pay.

If you don't like the asking price, offer less, keep looking at other characters... there are loads of options that don't involve screwing up a system that isn't broken.

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#190 - 2013-06-28 13:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
suid0 wrote:
Player price is decided by supply, demand, usefulness and what people are actually willing to pay.

If you don't like the asking price, offer less, keep looking at other characters... there are loads of options that don't involve screwing up a system that isn't broken.


nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#191 - 2013-06-28 14:42:24 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything


And there we have it. it's no longer "What I think is best for everyone." It's finally "It's what I want!" So glad he's admitted this.

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2013-06-28 14:44:53 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything

Then you take the time to carefully skill up your character like everybody else did.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#193 - 2013-06-28 14:46:02 UTC
Shiera Kuni wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything


And there we have it. it's no longer "What I think is best for everyone." It's finally "It's what I want!" So glad he's admitted this.


lol, It was like pulling teeth

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Mag's
Azn Empire
#194 - 2013-06-28 16:42:48 UTC
suid0 wrote:
Shiera Kuni wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

nobody wants other characters, I want to built my own one, with the name i like etc. thats the most important part in an MMO

nobody wants to use second hand characters! therefore I need a bit more flexibility to Skill mine, I'm asking just for 1-3 additional month of skilpoints per year, easy for everybody, that would not break anything


And there we have it. it's no longer "What I think is best for everyone." It's finally "It's what I want!" So glad he's admitted this.


lol, It was like pulling teeth
But nicely done. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Akemi Kiyoura
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#195 - 2013-06-28 17:14:53 UTC
As someone has said in another one of these pay to win topics:
Im ok with your idea, provided the rate is 1 plex per SP point.
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2013-06-28 17:41:21 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Mr M wrote:
No. Specialise and/or buy a character from the character bazaar.


like I did say, its just another transaction added, I do not want to trade characters, I want to purchase the skill time directly

as explained this would be fair for old and new players alike, nothing to worry about...


You can purchase the time directly in the form of second character training. What you want is a time warp that makes your character as skilled as a 5+ year old character. That's paying to win. Remember when CCP tried the pay to win thing before? It didn't turn out so well.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#197 - 2013-06-28 18:09:45 UTC
tchulen wrote:

..... this skill progression concept was designed by them, has been working fine for 10 years and has the massive majority of players behind it.



At one time prohibiting women the right to vote in America had the 'massive majority' of people behind it, it was still a bad idea and using the "majority thinks it's a good idea and thus this automatically justifies my viewpoint argument" shows you have no understanding of what it takes to properly support your viewpoints and further it seriously calls into question whether you have the right to belittle the intellectual acumen of any other poster.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#198 - 2013-06-28 18:18:32 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:


You can purchase the time directly in the form of second character training. What you want is a time warp that makes your character as skilled as a 5+ year old character. That's paying to win. Remember when CCP tried the pay to win thing before? It didn't turn out so well.


buying 10yr old pilots off the bazaar is already a 'time warp' and is already fully supported by CCP, also you can buy PLEX instead of farming ISK yourself both clear examples of pay to win by your definition and both already supported by CCP.

The thing the OP wants is yet another 'pay to win' feature added to the game that although new is not a radical departure from what is already being supported in EVE.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#199 - 2013-06-28 18:21:29 UTC
suid0 wrote:
Player price is decided by supply, demand, usefulness and what people are actually willing to pay.

If you don't like the asking price, offer less, keep looking at other characters... there are loads of options that don't involve screwing up a system that isn't broken.


Given the bazaar system you yourself decided to add to your argument how can you justify the stance that inclusion of a game mechanic almost identical in outcome is going to 'screw up the system"?

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#200 - 2013-06-28 18:24:04 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
suid0 wrote:
Player price is decided by supply, demand, usefulness and what people are actually willing to pay.

If you don't like the asking price, offer less, keep looking at other characters... there are loads of options that don't involve screwing up a system that isn't broken.


Given the bazaar system you yourself decided to add to your argument how can you justify the stance that inclusion of a game mechanic almost identical in outcome is going to 'screw up the system"?


The time to learn those skills which exist on a purchased character has been spent the same way everyone elses has... over time. Not via some spend money get instant millions of SP.

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted