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best level 4 mission running ship

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Ellon JTC
Quadralien
#1 - 2013-06-28 09:44:59 UTC
Hi
Assuming you have the right skills and isk what would be the best level 4 security mission running ship?
By best I mean fastest. I want to get the missions done as fast as possible.


Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-28 09:50:46 UTC
like, completely killing everything?

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#3 - 2013-06-28 09:59:21 UTC
Machariel is still one of the best.
Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.

Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-06-28 10:01:28 UTC
pirate faction BS are the best. machariel, vindi, nightmare and rattlesnake i believe
Ellon JTC
Quadralien
#5 - 2013-06-28 10:27:50 UTC
Feanira Darr wrote:
like, completely killing everything?


assuming the 2 cases blitzing and killing everything,what would be the best for each?
Ellon JTC
Quadralien
#6 - 2013-06-28 10:29:46 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
pirate faction BS are the best. machariel, vindi, nightmare and rattlesnake i believe


l0rd carlos wrote:
Machariel is still one of the best.
Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.

Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.


Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.
Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-28 10:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Feanira Darr
what I love about nightmares is... frequency crystal and tracking computer script swap-outs are instant. I haven't had to use volley prediction or wait on a blinky reload icon in a while.

OK that's a lie, I was in a golem for three days (until yesterday). having tasted laz0rs, I can't stand missiles now. I thought I'd see what the cruise thing is about--they're nice and fast, but all that ammo and the wasted volleys... and did I mention the blinky reload icon?

not a gameplay experience I want.

//not sure the large turrets is a problem. I hit cruisers at 10km with a tracking speed script loaded. haven't had any issues there.

for killing things fast, I'd say get range with an artillery machariel. it's a little weak on shield tank, but pop light drones to kill webbing frigs, and keep your lateral speed up to reduce damage. everything about that ferrari of a battleship is fast.

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-28 11:11:13 UTC
Ellon JTC wrote:
Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.


Maybe really easy level 4's but i doubt you could run the harder ones faster in a bc than a bs.

Also my apoc hits frigs just fine as long as theyre 30km + from me. It also hit frigs just fine at the same distance before oddyssey

Ive seen a macharial mince frigates as well. and anyway when frigs get under ur guns use drones.


l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#9 - 2013-06-28 11:26:48 UTC
Ellon JTC wrote:


Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.

At about 20 - 25km+ a Machariel should have no problem shooting incomming frigs. Half of the guns should pop a simple frig with one volley.
It also has a drone bay for frigs that can deal if they are too close.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-28 12:36:15 UTC
just to add the capability quickly, train Drones IV and Scout Drone Operation to III or IV

4 T1 light drones strictly for killing web and point frigates is much more effective than using main guns for the same purpose. for missioning, the cost of T2 drones make them impractical.

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#11 - 2013-06-28 12:39:06 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Machariel is still one of the best.
Thanks to MWD and Falloff bonus it has a nice damage projection.

Cruise missiles boats are catching up though, of they haven't done it already.


Mach is not one of the best. It is the best one.

Cruise boats didn't catch up at all.

Whatever.

Feanira Darr
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-28 12:41:46 UTC
I don't use Machariels because I multibox rather severely, and the Machariel requires a lot of speed management which I cannot handle. otherwise, I would use it.

"Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#13 - 2013-06-28 12:44:27 UTC
I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :)

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Krann
Trout Mask Replicants
#14 - 2013-06-29 07:35:57 UTC
Feanira Darr wrote:
just to add the capability quickly, train Drones IV and Scout Drone Operation to III or IV

4 T1 light drones strictly for killing web and point frigates is much more effective than using main guns for the same purpose. for missioning, the cost of T2 drones make them impractical.


T2 drones are fine. I've lost one T2 light since this expansion.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2013-06-29 07:51:00 UTC
Ellon JTC wrote:
Actually I've heard battle cruisers are faster at running the level4s, because battle ships use large guns and its hard for the large guns to take down the smaller targets.


Whoever told you that? Don't listen to them.

(They were likely talking about L3s, where this is at least arguable, though top tier mission BSs can shine there too. It's blatantly false in L4s.)
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-06-29 09:33:11 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :)

I was wondering who I remember saying they dual box machariels... one artillery, one autocannon... was that you?

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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#17 - 2013-06-29 09:43:39 UTC
Rain6638 wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :)

I was wondering who I remember saying they dual box machariels... one artillery, one autocannon... was that you?

Yes that's me, for Angel Extrav Autos and Artys , but both Arty for others like Mordus Headhunters, Blockade, Gone Berserk or both auto for Vengeance, Buzz kill... you get the idea use what is appropriate.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-06-29 11:53:26 UTC
Machariel, Vargur, Paladin, or Nightmare. These are the clear best, each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#19 - 2013-06-29 12:12:58 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Mach is not one of the best. It is the best one.


Right up until it stops being the best one. The Machariel is good, and against Angels you'd be hard pressed to find anything better... swap the rats though and suddenly other ships are better.

@OP: Most of the top mission ships are so close that they're more or less equal and the only thing that makes one better than another is what you're shooting. There is no 'best,' and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is probably selling one.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-06-29 13:30:59 UTC
o7 Goldiiee

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