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If EVE could go F2P, without any changes at all, tomorrow.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#61 - 2013-06-27 19:25:01 UTC
It took CCP YEARS to resurrect the game and you want to **** it all up.

Even the Dalai Lama hates you.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Killian Redbeard
Ironhand Research and Industrial Corp
#62 - 2013-06-27 19:40:22 UTC
Free to Pay. Yes I call it Free to Pay not Free to Play. Free to Play would mean there is no option to spend money on the game as it is FREE.

All games that have converted to F2P have changed so that money will be spent by somebody. Otherwise the developers would have no income to continue supporting the servers or improving the game and it would die. So, I don't believe you can say Eve can go F2P with no changes.

If Eve went F2P, I would probably stop playing in a couple months. Since I pay for my subscription I fell obligated to log in and play the game. Need to get value for my money. Once its F2P, I then have no requirement to log in besides it being fun and enjoyable.

Now, I have a lot of unfinished games that are fun and enjoyable to play that I paid for. Since I have free time since I am not required to log into Eve anymore, I will go play other games.
Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-06-27 19:51:18 UTC
Mylena Inera wrote:
Would you be OK with it?

Pros:

more people
more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)


Cons:

more noobs

EDIT:

there is now a mythical wookie that lives in the dead sea, and upon the decision of CCP to go F2P, rose up and completely fixed every problem that removing the subscription fee would cause regarding PLEX and funding. he has generously donated his 2 billion dollar fortune in goat heads and cheddar wiz to fund all further content.

the point of this is to discuss the community based ramifications of a F2P model as none of us can actually know whether a successful F2P model is possible (we don't have the accounting books)


If you want F2P go somewhere else. Every F2P I have ever tried was trash.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#64 - 2013-06-27 19:52:51 UTC
Killian Redbeard wrote:
Free to Pay. Yes I call it Free to Pay not Free to Play. Free to Play would mean there is no option to spend money on the game as it is FREE.

All games that have converted to F2P have changed so that money will be spent by somebody. Otherwise the developers would have no income to continue supporting the servers or improving the game and it would die. So, I don't believe you can say Eve can go F2P with no changes.

If Eve went F2P, I would probably stop playing in a couple months. Since I pay for my subscription I fell obligated to log in and play the game. Need to get value for my money. Once its F2P, I then have no requirement to log in besides it being fun and enjoyable.

Now, I have a lot of unfinished games that are fun and enjoyable to play that I paid for. Since I have free time since I am not required to log into Eve anymore, I will go play other games.


I like that "Free to Pay". That sums up the PLEX system nicely.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Kali Maat
PVP FAST
#65 - 2013-06-27 20:00:07 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:
In my humble opinion... if CCP can incorporate more interactivity with planets/stations/environments they could completely lock down the entire MMO industry.

That type of change is what I want to see in the next decade.

the space part of Eve need to stay untouched from the current revenue model.
Plex being a "PILOT license extension" required to fly a space ships.

If any F2P content could exist it's within station environments and planets. ( and please not like the failed Dust approach of "let's build a game and connect it to New Eden after".
some-how a 60 day limited trial would let new players grasp the concept and maybe they will chose to just stick with chilling and chatting and playing station/planetary content. or they will miss they days flying and have a great understanding of the risk of flying a space ship then commit to live in space for a subscription based game-play.

Just trowing ideas out of the windows..
trow me back rocks I don't care Roll
GreenSeed
#66 - 2013-06-27 20:00:49 UTC
CCP needs to add a new in game overview filter "pilot suggested f2p" "pilot made a thread to fix highsec/nullsec" "pilot complained about ganking" "pilot complained about people complaining about ganking" "pilot doesn't understand how plex works" etc, etc...



the game would be so much fun.

suddenly the firsts to get primaried wouldn't be the names starting with "A"... but i guess friendly fire could become a problem.Blink
Arkanon Nerevar
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2013-06-27 21:19:19 UTC
can you just imagine what the game would be like if it went f2p.......
Everyone would immediatly create several alts to aid their mains money making (missions/ratting/mining/exploration)
due to increased inflow isk inflation would increase sharply, for people to keep their normal worth they would then create even more alts for even more isk...., inflation would skyrocket, everyone would be running their missions, mining, ratting anoms with twenty plus chars, and it would keep escalating as people try to stay ahead of the isk inflation rate, given that the average EVE gamers pc can support roughly forty to fifty clients multi boxed on low settings the end result would be wealth for the guy who multiboxes the most and poverty for everyone else, the game would then revolve around wha has the most chars they can login at once.
It would be fascinating to witness and even be a part of, like germanys hyperinflation of 1929, but online, so with people just raging out impotently during the intial hyperdevaluation and finally quiting for something else.

Trust Not in God, but Have Faith in Antimatter

Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2013-06-27 22:09:33 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
What's with all the pants-on-head threads about PLEX and FTP in GD today?





I was wondering about that too. Perhaps WoW or Hello Kitty is down today for servicing and the kiddies are getting fractious, so have decided to come and whine in the 'big boys' park.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-06-28 01:04:12 UTC
Well they would have to make money somehow, so if it was F2P they would need an in-game shop.



GW2 is a pile of crap thanks to game changes as well as the company's drive to make more cash via it's in-game shop.




So no EVE does not need to be F2P, F2P will only ruin it.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-06-28 01:07:53 UTC
******* **** **** **** stupid
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-06-28 01:16:08 UTC
I think ccp could do it but they need more options in the Nex store so there is a reason to buy plex and spend other then selling on the market for ISK. Make the Nex store have more clothes, Name changes for players and Corps, maybe something so you could recolor your ship, things like that.
Kali Maat
PVP FAST
#72 - 2013-06-28 02:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Kali Maat
Nex Killer wrote:
I think ccp could do it but they need more options in the Nex store so there is a reason to buy plex and spend other then selling on the market for ISK. Make the Nex store have more clothes, Name changes for players and Corps, maybe something so you could recolor your ship, things like that.

Just stop for a second and think about how Eve is made..
did you read the concerns about ALL THE ALTS that would create
Just stop right there
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE EVE FREE TO PLAY IN ANY EVEN HYPOTHETICAL WAY.

Expend the New Eden universe with some OTHER game-play all connected to eve that could be free to play
sure no problems
more folks in the fun boat.

But for the flying spaceship MAGNIFICENT and CURRENTLY FINANCIALLY STABLE.
there is NO POINT in doing it
just give up already.

pls let my post be the last of this tread (until the next light head re-start the whole F2P madness in a month or so)
cheers
Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies
Happy Cartel
#73 - 2013-06-28 02:18:35 UTC
NO. It's a terribly bad idea for many reasons, some of them already stated.

/thread
Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-06-28 03:15:28 UTC
The most successful f2p games use some sort of "gachapon"(lottery-like minigame that awards players with random items.)
This gets many players attached to the game through pretty much addiction to gambling for that "dream" upgrade item, plus it pays the game developer's bills. Naturally. But whomever dumps the most cash on the in-game roulette would basically pay to win.

I'd say Eve survived because of players' attachment to the characters and interaction with others.
The f2p models get players addicted to wasting money on lottery tickets(gachapons.)

This is Eve's 2nd decade, it is too late to switch to f2p either way.
Prestb
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-06-28 03:20:30 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
F2p would kill eve.

There are too many 12yo who do things with my mother in local already, we definitely dont need an influx of more.



That made my day:
"Too many 12yo who do things with my mother in local already"
PricelessLol
Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-06-28 03:27:42 UTC
There are a few ways I could see EvE work F2P

1. When on a F2P account you have a max SP total. Possibly something like 4-10mil SP

2. When on a F2P account you have a max SP per hour cap and make it 1/2 to 1/3 lower then the normal training speed. Adding implants would not allow you to go above this SP per hour cap.

3. Limited interaction with mission agents or Limited access to space. ex: No access to mission agents above level 2 or no access to space below a certain sec status.

4. No trading with people

5. No placing orders on Markets or Contracts

6. No changing corps and stuck in a F2P corp where taxes are aprox 30-50%

If you put in a few of those restrictions it could create a F2P environment where if a player wanted to try the game they could, they could continue to play the game as long as they want but if they really wanted to play they would need to plex or sub with RL cash. This F2P would also allow these players if they were so inclined to attempt to make the 600mil to plex their account which fuels the plex market and add's more money to CCP's coffers.

Even with all of those restrictions I still don't believe that CCP needs to do a F2P option for EvE.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#77 - 2013-06-28 06:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
In my humble opinion... if CCP can incorporate more interactivity with planets/stations/environments they could completely lock down the entire MMO industry.


Not in a wholesale PvP game.

#1 MMO is PvE with consensual PvP. It balances both game preferences and still allows both to exist on one server. That's where the success will be.

EvE locks itself into a corner with restrictions that most MMO players don't prefer to play. So at the gate the negatives exist. This is what hurts EvE (it should have over 1 million subs, but wholesale PvP is a major turnoff. Thus, it's a niche game in a genre that truly needs a WoW base).


Another ignorant post from the WoW expert.

You see, unlike your favorite kindergarden themepark mmo-rpg, EvE Online is a complex sandbox mmo-rpg game, it's all about Player vs Player interactive competition, Gathering Resources, Manufacturing and Destruction, it's all Player vs Player, even when you're logged out.

And there a good reason for this to happen.

There is a cycle of life in sandbox mmo-rpg games. Like a said before, Gathering Resources, Manufacturing and Destruction, all of them are interconnected to each other and without them, the game is broken. All are equally important and can't work without each other. It's an ecosystem, if you break a part of the cycle, you break the game.

What happened to the great sandbox mmo-rpg called Ultima Online, the developers created a safe haven in the game for carebears, with this change the cycle was broken, no more "Destruction" so their was no need for "Manufacturing" and obvious, no need for "Gathering" either. The game died, just like that.

Also, unlike your favorite kindergarden themepark mmo-rpg, EvE Online has grown every single year and will still be played 10 years from now.

The Tears Must Flow

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-06-28 07:06:02 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:

EvE Online is a complex sandbox mmo-rpg game


Put that weed down, Vaju.

I'm a granny, dear, I play EvE and WoW (plus have max level characters in EQII/RIFT/DDO and some other F2P games, and before that MuDs).

WoW is harder now to play, actually.

So just drop the ignorance trolling already.

Did you know I went to bed, came online and I was still in EvE space unmolested, and with no cloak? If I even was allowed to stay online for over 5hrs without being logged out for inactivity in WoW, some NPC mob would've killed me by then...outside in newbie land, even.

So please, don't tell people EvE is harder. This is a game for nerds who like spreadsheets, they're not action game types. Any combat or whatever for such players will be easier, simply because EvE's interface can't handle anything more difficult!!!

You want to believe it's harder, but any WoW arena player can run circles around you, as you're too s-l-o-w.

And that's the lesson for you why EvE is easier. Other games are getting faster and faster, and EvE never caught up. The other MMOs don't have this unconventional UI, that defies PC gaming conventions like even having WASD for ship movement.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#79 - 2013-06-28 07:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
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I'm a granny, dear.


Does anyone read this and think of that South Park line? "I am sick of having my mental condition called into question!"

FIgures, though. You show all the signs of an atrophied mind of a female of the Boomer generation, including being sufficiently pigheaded to just plow on through when almost everyone is telling you that you are totally, hilariously wrong about everything you say. But no, it can't be your fault, your generation is almost totally devoid of the ability of introspective thought, and therefore the ability to accept blame for any of your erroneous actions.

Whew, rant over. Sorry folks, but I truly do hate Boomers.

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WoW is harder now to play, actually.


What others total lies do we have in store for us today?

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Did you know I went to bed, came online and I was still in EvE space unmolested, and with no cloak?


Yawn, safespots in highsec, nothing to see here, moving on.

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If I even was allowed to stay online for over 5hrs without being logged out for inactivity in WoW, some NPC mob would've killed me by then...outside in newbie land, even.


At this point, despite your repeated references to WoW, I have to question if you have ever played it. The game's passive HP regen is sufficient to perma tank any creature below level 80 if your char is at max level. So, once again, an outright lie.

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This is a game for nerds who like spreadsheets


Which is why the braindead zombies that only play WoW, or CoD, or any of the twitch games, find EVE to be too hard. That's like telling me that football is hard and math isn't. I rolled my eyes so hard just now that they hurt.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#80 - 2013-06-28 07:31:46 UTC
free. to. play. aurem. c. n. r. 's DO. IT. C. C. P. Big smile

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