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Destroyers 4 PVP

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Julian Darklight
Dog Soldier Collective
#1 - 2011-11-05 16:43:03 UTC
I am tryin to throw together a good wolfpack to deal with bigger ships. Drones are obviously an issue for frigates, in particular drone heavy boats. I know that with my 6 mill sp in gunnery skills i can instapop most light drones with a single blast from a set of rails.... My idea was that the wolfpack warps in, tackles and fights the ship or ships we are targeting, them cormorant warps in, sets a good 25 or 35 km out an pops the fast movin drones while the rest of the ships use E-war and DPS to bring them down... maybe 2 cormies...

Its just an idea... have not even tested it.... What do yall think?
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-05 16:45:40 UTC
I think a well fit destroyer can push enough dps to make it worth wild to just shoot whoever is tackled instead
EMO JAck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-05 19:56:54 UTC
Bad idea uses too many people. That and caldari destroyers are just awful useless peaces of crap. I batter plan and more fun is a wolf pack 5 wolf assult ships on 5 thrashers. If you want to keep with the range idea use arty thrashers. Perhaps drone whore them with the gali assult ships.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2011-11-05 20:34:29 UTC
You want to be careful using dessies in "wolf packs" they are fat. Big sig radius and low tank....relative to frig hulls. You wont be able to escape larger ships (cruisers BCs) though will will pack a lot of punch. 10-15 Arty thrashers can be a lovely thing...but you have to accept that you will pop if a BC will look at you wrong.

A fleet of well fit T1 Frigs or better yet t2 frigs (like assault ships, EAFs, Inties wtc) can do a lot, and can usually align and warp before they can be targeted by bigger ships if they need to run....but dont get into a brawl. only attack things you can kill fast then gtfo
Conor Todaki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-05 21:22:48 UTC
I think do this after the winter expansion when dessies get a buff.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-05 21:28:47 UTC
Dessies have been useful in many cases in wolfpack gangs, in my experience, while they are called as primary. With good kiting skills you can stay at the fringes of combat shooting volleys in to tip the heavy hitters over the edge. Thrashers are ofcourse the best Dessy at the moment, I feel that the new blaster Catalyst will melt peoples faces fast with the new changes so you might see more of them in fleets.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2011-11-07 16:57:31 UTC
Alpha Thrasher gangs are where it is at, no tank all gank...its a beautiful thing


nom nom

Kuhn Arashi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-07 21:22:25 UTC
Agree'd thrasher gangs with a few sabres for tackle is beast.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-07 21:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
It actually works well if you us 150mm II's with spike on the Cormorant. Just make sure you sit waaaaaaaaaaaay off the fight and be aligned for a fast escape if anything gets too close.

The Catalyst also works well for this but I would suggest using a pair of sniping destroyers to kill the drones quicker.

Arty Thrashers are ok for this but they don't really have the range of the Cormorant or Catalyst and will pop if, as already mentioned, the target looks at them too hard.

Sniping Harpy is also a good choice as it doesn't pop as easily as the destroyers would and can snipe from 100km away.

Hope this helps.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-07 23:22:54 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Alpha Thrasher gangs are where it is at, no tank all gank...its a beautiful thing




Yup.

Small trasher gank.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

styh Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-08 14:46:14 UTC
10MN AB CATALYST
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#12 - 2011-11-08 15:39:03 UTC
winter addon will remove dessies ROF penalty ....


.... arty thrashers are mean btw
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2011-11-08 17:39:39 UTC

Killing drones depends on your gang's size. If you are in a largish (15+) wolfpack or hornet fleet, killing drones is usually a waste of time. Under such circumstances, you want the person with drone aggro to power away from the fight and draw the drones far from the battle. Basically, they should tank the drones as long as possible while getting safish, allowing the majority of the gang to melt the target. Sometimes this is not feasible, at which killing the drones might save the pilot's ship.

In smaller gangs (5ish), it takes some time to kill your target.. and declawing them is important. Using sniping dessies would work, but your sacrificing a lot of dps for range. The range allows you to warp away if you need to, and stay generally safe. Longer range weapons will hit you very well at range, and might alpha you. Be carefull of lazors and BS weapons. Its typically viewed as more desireable to have close range dessies. The output much more dps, are easier to fit, but have lower overall survivability. Its hard for dessies to get under the tracking of medium guns, although the dessie changes should help significantly with that.