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Why do I suck at PVP?
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manilabay
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-27 20:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: manilabay
I have 118mil sp, mostly in combat skills. Read up on all the tactics of frig 1v1. Ammo selection, ranges etc etc... But have yet to win a single frig 1v1... Am I that bad, or does everyone and their brother use an OGB these days? I am using decent fits and have tried many ships and tactics, kiting to brawling.


About to fold up the tent and give my stuff away.......
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-27 20:06:39 UTC
manilabay wrote:
I have 118mil sp, mostly in combat skills. Read up on all the tactics of frig 1v1. Ammo selection, ranges etc etc... But have yet to win a single frig 1v1... Am I that bad, or does everyone and their brother use an OGB these days?


About to fold up the tent and give my stuff away.......




Keep trying. There are a lot of boosters out there, but not everybody uses them. If you are flying frigates, there won't be much SP difference between a 20M SP toon and your 118M SP's, so it is all about player skill. Just remember small gang and especially 1v1 is a giant game of rock paper scissors. Look at the fights you lost. If your opponent has rock and you keep bringing scissors, you will almost never win.

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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2013-06-27 20:21:41 UTC
Try and remember that some of those guys your fighting, have like, 1000 frigate fights under their belt. They have worked at getting better one fight at a time.

Some of them may use serious implants, booster, drugs, faction mods. Or all of the above.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-27 20:49:31 UTC
Its ok to suck, I suck as well, skill is to occasionally find people who are even worse . Great morale boost. Till then fight with cheap stuff and dont derp losds of AFs like me.
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-27 20:53:13 UTC
Also, frig fights are a lot more challenging in my experience than those with bigger ships. You don't have time to sit and analyze, you make 1 mistake and you'll likely die - 2 and you will surely die.

If you're in a frig that can dictate range get a fair clip off and Look At your target to give you an idea of what you're up against. If you're kitey and he's got small guns go for it.
manilabay
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-27 22:28:33 UTC
Great advice guys, anyway I went back at it, lost a slasher but almost took out an incursus before I died. Burned out my guns, and my ancillary armor booster decided to go on reload right when I needed it most.. Funny thing is, that fight actually lasted longer than most of the fights I've had... Took me over a minute to pop, lol...
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-27 23:45:01 UTC
manilabay wrote:
Great advice guys, anyway I went back at it, lost a slasher but almost took out an incursus before I died. Burned out my guns, and my ancillary armor booster decided to go on reload right when I needed it most.. Funny thing is, that fight actually lasted longer than most of the fights I've had... Took me over a minute to pop, lol...


Protip, as soon as you undock in a new frig, right click your aar and turn off auto reload. It then will continue at a reduced rate when it runs out of paste.
Theroine
Pew Pew Pirates
#8 - 2013-06-28 00:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Theroine
Two quick questions.
Is your safety turned off? If it's on, this can take precious seconds away from applying damage.

Are you letting your opponent shoot first so you don't lose sec status? If so, you are letting them get into their optimal fighting range and getting ahead of you in the damage race.

Join in on the pew
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#9 - 2013-06-28 01:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
OGB is annoying but its not universal. Faction warfare regions, novice plexes. Knowing who to engage is very important: are you a brawler? Avoid kiters. Are you scram range kiter? Win Smile

Range control is often more important than raw DPS. Likewise for weapon support skills since they help your DPS to actually be applied rather than just look good in EFT.

I only have about 6m SP in frigate-relevant skills and average about 2:1 kill:loss in solo FW regions so you should be fine.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Roxxo I'doCocaine
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-28 02:14:56 UTC
RvB

Far less common to see boosters than in FW, plus.... a designated 1v1 T1 frigate system, and enforced 1v1s everywhere else if that's what was agreed to. Also, a full range of SP and pilot skill level, so you are bound to find someone who hasn't even done their homework, as well as people to learn from the hard way.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#11 - 2013-06-28 06:04:22 UTC
Theroine wrote:
Two quick questions.
Is your safety turned off? If it's on, this can take precious seconds away from applying damage.

Are you letting your opponent shoot first so you don't lose sec status? If so, you are letting them get into their optimal fighting range and getting ahead of you in the damage race.



This ^^

Always shoot 1st. (except on stations/gates at neutrals).

The easy way to know if you should shoot 1st are by going through the following checklist:
1. Are they in a ship? - If yes shoot.
2. Are they in a pod? - If yes shoot.
3. If you are unsure about something - Shoot it because you probably can't trust it.
4. If you answered 'no' to any of these question - you are still docked.

Use whatever dishonorable tactic you can if it will help win.

Try and fly with some people you know.
A friend in a Griffin for ECM or a Bantam for reps will make a massive difference.

Speaking of dishonorable - You could Join Fugutive Task Force of ATONEMENT Alliance - they are beginner friendly, active and in Caldari Militia.
Or
Justified Chaos have good pilots if you want to join the filthy, smelly and unemployed houso Gallente Militia.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-06-28 07:22:35 UTC
Meh, i was going to check your fits and give you pointers but it seems that isn't your main so MEH.

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Zeus Zed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-28 08:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus Zed
Fair PvP is tough.

Fighting with integrity without zerging your opponent with a 5vs1 gate camp is tough.

Wining your engagements without cheating by means of OGB is tough.

Not listening to 90% of PvP'ers who claim that "fair PvP does not exist" or "you are doing it wrong" is tough.

But it's cool. Fair PvP is cool.

Don't give up. Your skills will improve, your reaction times will improve, your ships and fits will improve, and one day you will find that one ship & fit combination that you will feel super comfortable with and start wining fights. And it's going to be fun (and profitable).
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-06-28 09:02:31 UTC
PvP is hard, everyone wants to win their fight and keep their ship in an ideal world - you are not experienced and you will lose ships. Just make your peace with this, try to milk as much experience from every hull and apply it in your next fight.

You will get there and once you start making decisions in fights that land you the victory you will start to enjoy it a whole lot more.

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Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-28 10:16:05 UTC
One thing to remember is to try lots of different setups. Despite what you'll hear on forums and on other sites; there are no universal good fittings (usually). Rather you want a ship which maximizes the type of flying you want to do.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-06-28 10:17:31 UTC
All above being true, the biggest thing I did to change my PvP exp was to finally get over the frustration/rage when I did lose something. Eve is not real. Isk is not money. Pixels are made to blow up (now with cooler effects)

To that end, since you are to the point of giving up anyway, fit up something worth 10% of your total liquid assets and go lose it in hilarious fashion. Doesn't matter how. But make it fun/funny. If after that you still feel a compulsion to quit then do it again. Repeat this until either you have done it 10 time and are out of cash. Or it is fun to go make explosions in space

After that, the thousands of lost frigates will be just another month on your fw or RvB alt.
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-06-28 11:26:42 UTC
I also suck at PvP, but have a lot of fun.

Happily some people suck more.

Frig/Dessie fights are fast, fun and cheap. IF you want to win, learn how the various frigs are flown, and do not engage the Rock to your Scissors, or if you must - try and dictate the fight to your advantage. i.e Get a web/scram on that fast kitey ship before it can pull range.

Still learning here. Yesterdays lesson was Blaster fit Algos are really nasty, don't hug them.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#18 - 2013-06-28 12:32:42 UTC
There are 3 kinds of pilots in EVE. We have the heroes who are brave and have honour like samurai's; the ninja's who I am and we like to run away and are cowards; oh and of course the soldiers who do what they're told; not to mention all the shoguns and middle management; then we have the civilians.

So I'm thinking you're a Samurai? Mainly because heroes tend to die a lot and chat and complain about fair. Not that you're complaining. In any-case technically you do not suck at PVP because you clearly have honour and you're brave.

You're welcome and good luck and keep trying brave and honourable samurai...

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#19 - 2013-06-28 15:26:13 UTC
Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.

nom nom
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#20 - 2013-06-28 15:46:56 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.



I'm thinking its more like 20%. But really I don't know, I generally never fight condors so that might be why my view is off.

OP I haven't looked at your fits so this is just general advice. But when I started out I tended to go with tankier ships. This made the fights last longer so I could see what was happening, and gave me more time to react during the fight. Its important to gain an understanding of why you win or lose. If you just keep dying without understanding why, you are not really gaining experience.

Also look at the losses of good pilots. Try to figure out the idea behind their fits. What ranges will try to hit and what will their dps be, how will they deal with brawlers and kiters etc.

Obviously if you have fraps, a large enough hard drive, and your willing to look at the fights you lost and what the enemy was likely fitting that would be even more helpful.

Also joining a good pvp corp can be a big help.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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