Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think people here are missing the point. WCS are intended for travel fits and travel fits only, with enormous reductions in performance if they're used in professions. The current nerfs worked fine when the primary professions were restricted to anomalies and missions (where you need all the slots you can get) but don't work when you don't need your slots (like in current exploration and FW plexing professions).

The idea is simply asking that if people fit these that they're penalized in their profession, just like how the current module is intended to penalize use of the module in PvE and PvP.

EDIT: The comment "WCS are intended for travel fits and travel fits only" is backed up in a post of mine further down this thread, as people did not agree with my premise.

I completely agree with this. If they've fit modules to counter your scram then fit more scram if you want to counter that. They've had to lose slots in order to counter you, you need to lose slots in order to counter the counter. Simples!

The concept of a "travel fit" only exists because fitting a WCS to your ship horribly nerfs its ability to do anything except travel.

They're fine. Fit additional scrams.

How about less penalties for warp core stabilizes instead...

I'm not sure if you are a troll, or just terrible at the game.

The chances of getting within scram range of a FW/Covops in a site is nonexistent. They sit aligned to some celestial at around 30km from the gate. Now I have no issue fitting a sebo to try and point them before they warp, and I often get a point if I do, but it's long point and useless against these setups. You need to be able to do 4-5 points in Warp Disrupt to be able to disrupt most of the cookie cutter WCS fits for FW/site. Doing that amount of warp points while retaining a lock speed to target those ships and do it from the range the beacon/plex warps you into is just not an option. It would mean no prop mod, no rigs, etc. Nothing but points.

And that's ridiculous.

Maybe you guys haven't pirated lowsec since the addition of FW and the new plexes but it's nigh impossible to catch these guys. And that means the risk vs. reward ratio on these setups is way off. And, when you manage to actually kill one, he loses 10-12m + whatever was looted. Maybe more if he was in a T2 ship like a covops, but they're even harder to kill. And given what the average FW/site makes nowadays, that's tiny.

Khanid Navy Scrambler is a 3 strength scrambler.

You are welcome.

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So does the True Sansha scam, but if you think I am going to spend that kind of ISK just to kill a WCS stabbed frig. You have got another thing coming. Again, Risk reward is wrong. Risk of me losing a 100+m ISK mod just to kill a 3m ISK ship is not going to happen.


On a side note. WCS can be used in PVP and very effectively too. Just go and look on the smartbombing Machariel fit.

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