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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2013-06-27 18:22:00 UTC
Why would anyone who plays EvE which is a game based around player created content hate a group that is known for providing large amounts of player content, stories and examples of emergent gameplay.
I say this as a member of an organisation that is currently fighting against the CFC.
Most of the null sec entities are fighting with TEST against CFC not because they hate Grrr Goons or love TEST but because the size of the powerblock CFC represents is an existential threat to many space empires. You don't attack someone in a game of RISK because you hate them but because it is good strategy to attack them at that time and in that place.

The haters are high sec carebears that haven't really tryed exploring EvE and the many ways of playing it , they resist emergent gameplay , dislike interacting with others in the game and largely live in corps with little or no corp chat.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Logan Brewster
Personal Future Confectioners
#82 - 2013-06-27 18:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Logan Brewster
Outside the Game I don't like Goons for the personal lies, half-lies and filth they spread on their many & varied forums. I hate the fact that there are people inside that Alliance who take EVE serious enough to actively stalk persons in the Internet and in RL and that the rest of the bunch ignores or approves it. Well, most of the EVE players are dumb enough to believe such filth without checking out its roots anyway, as we recently saw.

I don't blame all Goons, most of them are just null bears who want to make loads of ISK and probably never read any forum at all.

InGame
I would help neither TEST nor Goonswarm. Nor any of the Alliances that shoot me if they can catch me. Why would I?
We take from their - mostly empty - territories what we can get almost every day, war or not.
And the people we meet mostly do the same boring stuff they point the finger at the HS carebears for. The boring grind just makes more ISK in Null Sec, which means you can swing a bit more hardware around.

Otherwise - ingame - I couldn't care less. They can put ISK away until they are bored enough again to come suicide-guns blazing to HS. Doesn't concern me. In fact, it is good for business.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-06-27 18:43:30 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Why would anyone who plays EvE which is a game based around player created content hate a group that is known for providing large amounts of player content, stories and examples of emergent gameplay.


Because EvE suffers from a syndrome know especially with the EQ/EQII franchise: where only a couple raid guilds rule, and they controlled the economy and access to content.

WoW doesn't have that problem as no 1 guild can control the game; the economy or access. They can be powerful and have the best raiders, but they don't dictate content or access.

EvE isn't the sandbox game folks keep wanting to believe, it suffers from some really old problems seen in older MMOs. It's allowed as those who developed EvE consider it's fine, as that was the status quo game play.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2013-06-27 18:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Add the Technium exploit (which went unfixed for years) and the asshattery does not help with PR.



Oh my
Ace Uoweme wrote:

They are allowed to play like they want, but the public also has a right to judge them by it.

To see them at gate camps also makes them appear like ***** even (now don't scream Godwin's Law) with the tendency to use waffe in their corp names they even want to exploit the image. But riding through those gate camps that's the impression I get from them. I detest that, truly, and if anything that is why I want the Goons hive incinerated. The rest of their activities doesn't personally affect me, but what I see is their jackboot and it needs to be rammed up some tiny little striped beehinds.


You have the wrong evil empire allow me to educate you.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#85 - 2013-06-27 18:59:40 UTC
Goon PR alt making Goon PR thread.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sour Jelly
#86 - 2013-06-27 19:00:31 UTC
Well, judging by this thread goons are losing the war.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-06-27 19:03:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Add the Technium exploit (which went unfixed for years) and the asshattery does not help with PR.



Oh my
Ace Uoweme wrote:

They are allowed to play like they want, but the public also has a right to judge them by it.

To see them at gate camps also makes them appear like ***** even (now don't scream Godwin's Law) with the tendency to use waffe in their corp names they even want to exploit the image. But riding through those gate camps that's the impression I get from them. I detest that, truly, and if anything that is why I want the Goons hive incinerated. The rest of their activities doesn't personally affect me, but what I see is their jackboot and it needs to be rammed up some tiny little striped beehinds.


You have the wrong evil empire allow me to educate you.


Hey, Bat Country player how is it with the IsBoxing with Mittani named alts again?

Do you guys kiss his feet and ring too? Lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-06-27 19:05:54 UTC
Sour Jelly wrote:
Well, judging by this thread goons are losing the war.


Oh, in many ways than one.

The hive is going to be BoBed. Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2013-06-27 19:13:33 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

Hey, Bat Country player how is it with the IsBoxing with Mittani named alts again?

Do you guys kiss his feet and ring too? Lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult


Feels like this
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#90 - 2013-06-27 19:35:38 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Why would anyone who plays EvE which is a game based around player created content hate a group that is known for providing large amounts of player content, stories and examples of emergent gameplay.


Because EvE suffers from a syndrome know especially with the EQ/EQII franchise: where only a couple raid guilds rule, and they controlled the economy and access to content.

WoW doesn't have that problem as no 1 guild can control the game; the economy or access. They can be powerful and have the best raiders, but they don't dictate content or access.

EvE isn't the sandbox game folks keep wanting to believe, it suffers from some really old problems seen in older MMOs. It's allowed as those who developed EvE consider it's fine, as that was the status quo game play.


That solely depends on how you define this. There are no 'Raid Guilds' dominating, there are rather large Alliances dominating.
You can still get stuff from those regions, they are not as dangerous as you might think. Without renting, I mean.

Confirming though, that you are unable to build a 5-man "Empire" that will be entirely safe and will make you feel like a god.
Find some few thousand others, then you can do that.

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x
Charles the Miner
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-06-27 19:42:29 UTC
Goons are great content.

They would be fantastic content if CCP ever got their thumbs out and implemented Block [Corp] and Block [Alliance] Lol
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-06-27 19:57:19 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
That solely depends on how you define this. There are no 'Raid Guilds' dominating, there are rather large Alliances dominating.
You can still get stuff from those regions, they are not as dangerous as you might think. Without renting, I mean.

Confirming though, that you are unable to build a 5-man "Empire" that will be entirely safe and will make you feel like a god.
Find some few thousand others, then you can do that.


It's just lipstick on the same pig (no matter how it's carved up...it's still pork).

Switch an avatar guild ruling a server, for an EvE alliance...bingo...it's deju vu all over again.

I left EQII after the worst 4+hr server bitchfest over one avatar guild from hell. After that GL got his mug on EQ2Flame's wall of shame, I left satisfied justice was served. Went to WoW and did everything I could to fight for access, as I hate this stupidity of paying for some bozos to act like lords, with the mentality of slime mold.

Devs who want to create worlds like this better just go F2P. When players are paying for game time, leave that bullshit where it belongs, buried in EQ/EQII and put a stake into it's blackest heart.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#93 - 2013-06-27 19:59:04 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.



People hate the little bees out of habit. It's a holdover from back when they had some relevance.

Mr Epeen Cool
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#94 - 2013-06-27 20:04:49 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
That solely depends on how you define this. There are no 'Raid Guilds' dominating, there are rather large Alliances dominating.
You can still get stuff from those regions, they are not as dangerous as you might think. Without renting, I mean.

Confirming though, that you are unable to build a 5-man "Empire" that will be entirely safe and will make you feel like a god.
Find some few thousand others, then you can do that.


It's just lipstick on the same pig (no matter how it's carved up...it's still pork).

Switch an avatar guild ruling a server, for an EvE alliance...bingo...it's deju vu all over again.

I left EQII after the worst 4+hr server bitchfest over one avatar guild from hell. After that GL got his mug on EQ2Flame's wall of shame, I left satisfied justice was served. Went to WoW and did everything I could to fight for access, as I hate this stupidity of paying for some bozos to act like lords, with the mentality of slime mold.

Devs who want to create worlds like this better just go F2P. When players are paying for game time, leave that bullshit where it belongs, buried in EQ/EQII and put a stake into it's blackest heart.


With all due respect, I have read a lot of your posts on various topics and I think you should take some time before you compare bitchfest with bitchfest. ;) No offense meant...

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-06-27 20:19:07 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
I hate neither. Goons are a collection of teletubbies worshippers whereas TEST are a bunch of rabid My Little Pony fangurls, and they have gotten into this heated argument of which show is the best.

I just sit back and watch natural selection do its work.

most accurate depiction.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-06-27 20:23:01 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
With all due respect, I have read a lot of your posts on various topics and I think you should take some time before you compare bitchfest with bitchfest. ;) No offense meant...


Meanwhile, you ***** about bitching after reading "a lot" of my posts? Roll

Honey, that flame war would melt satan's face. It was much deserved, and any guild that mattered gave that guild the proper dressing down it deserved. That's the karma idiots deserved, and if the Goons keeps pushing buttons, what they'll receive as well, regardless of being CCP darlings.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#97 - 2013-06-27 20:38:44 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
With all due respect, I have read a lot of your posts on various topics and I think you should take some time before you compare bitchfest with bitchfest. ;) No offense meant...


Meanwhile, you ***** about bitching after reading "a lot" of my posts? Roll

Honey, that flame war would melt satan's face. It was much deserved, and any guild that mattered gave that guild the proper dressing down it deserved. That's the karma idiots deserved, and if the Goons keeps pushing buttons, what they'll receive as well, regardless of being CCP darlings.


Well, I'm not a Goon, so I couldn't care less. I also doubt that a company has any 'darlings'. Don't build your opinion on what others feed you. Go out there and build your own opinion build on your own data is what I say.

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-06-27 20:39:08 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?


I almost feel bad for maybe ruining the beautiful drama you are trying to create, but (as far as I know) the driving force behind this war is not hate.
The driving factor is fun. I know, it sounds incredible. Having bigass fleet fights, blowing up internet spaceships and stuff like this.
And, of course, surprising the goons since we really LOVE shooting structures all day while listening to Celine Dione.

Alpheias wrote:
I hate neither. Goons are a collection of teletubbies worshippers whereas TEST are a bunch of rabid My Little Pony fangurls, and they have gotten into this heated argument of which show is the best.

I just sit back and watch natural selection do its work.


You make it sound as if teletubbies or MLP was a bad thing...What?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-06-27 20:53:10 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.
Then I'm going to make up a bunch of straw-man arguments and knock them down myself. No one's allowed to call me on any of my bullshit - all you can do is explain why you suck so much.

/discus

FYP to what you meant to say, in fewer words.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#100 - 2013-06-27 21:07:57 UTC  |  Edited by: arcca jeth
Mark Androcius wrote:
So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.


forums ate my post Roll