Skill Discussions

Yea, another thread about this. Not wishing to get into a deep discussion, but reading past threads, it's apparently not worth it and might even be detrimental to your shield. Has anything changed recently (since the last thread I read, which was around 2009 I think)?

Still not worth training? Or worth training for specific circumstances?

AFAIK there has never been a satisfactory confirmation of exactly what TSM does.

Even if it does work like one would hope, then the additional benefit is so incredibly tiny that your skillpoints would be better spent elsewhere.

TSM V used to be a pre-requisite for Capital Shield Boosters. That was the only valid reason to train it.

So if I get this right, the idea is to take it to max level IV right ?

There has been enough test data posted, and I can confirm it from my own experience.

* TSM lowers the threshold for damage to begin bleeding through the shield by 5% per level, starting at 25% at level 0.
* The chance to bleed remains the same (low).
* The amount of bleed remains the same (small).
* No additional damage is received by bleeding.
* TSM is slightly detrimental to EHP, but not significantly, as it is hard to remain below the threshold for long in actual combat when shield tanking (armor tanks have little shield and lose all of it quickly), and shield recharge is slow below 25% (and armor tanks have low shield recharge to begin with).
* TSM level 4 is required for T2 shield hardeners, which also lowers the bleed threshold to 5% shield.

werent you the one telling me that TSM 5 actually improves active shield tanking or was that someone else.

Right, my bad. I never really felt that discussion had any closure, I'm still convinced TSM V is a waste of sp but Liang did put across some interesting points.

Thanks.

His position in that seems a little contradictory to me. I don't disagree with him, but I'm not as in favour of TSM 5 as he appears to be, for exactly the example he gave: with so little shield remaining, it just doesn't make enough difference. For a capital where 5% shield is significant, then TSM 5 being the former prerequisite to using a Capital Shield Booster makes sense.

All that aside, I don't think it is worth training for two additional weeks for a questionable benefit, unless you are OCD about certificates or have nothing else to train.

Could this possibly be something our CSM brings up as being reworked to actually be a benefit? Either reworking the skill or the entire mechanic around shield bleed through and low shields in general.

(Does damage bleed through armor into structure?)

Never seen any bleed through really happen with it at lvl4 anyway.

It used to be a requirement for capital shield boosters.

I'm sad i trained it to use those :(.