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CCP, this is actually a very valid point. When I left the game for a 9 month break many in my corp left the game for good. It turned out that I, or at least the activities I organised, were the reason they stayed.

When creative people are upset with a new feature, it should count with you and you should respond. The new hacking thing is ok with me as I have mentioned in another post, but I see a lot of negative feedback here. I really think you should take this on board. If you made hacking more difficult I certainly would not complain, if you made it *really* difficult with a huge payout (like wormhole life, for example), it would probably encourage me to do it.

The complexity and difficulty of eve is *the* reason I like to play it, because it is the backdrop to the immersive and addictive nature of the game. I think I speak for most of your player base here, but if you can offer empirical evidence that this is untrue, by all means let me know.

Certainly the creative, forward-thinking players that influence their peers are, in my view, more likely to be attracted by complexity. A read of the book "Outliers" will explain why this is important to you.

This.

Why the Hell make Eve easier? I play it because it is hard!
I don't want easy going. I want a real Challenge.

And don't want to jump in a System and get the Signatures bashed in my Face..
Want to deactivate that annoying Overlay Crap..

And that new Jump Animation, yea it IS cool, but after 30 Jumps you just wanna throw up. Please let us deactivate it.
I hate do loose control over the Camera. That is absolutly not acceptable.

And the Undock Button. Why the Undock Button?
It was good where it was. Perfect Place....

And let Pirates push their Standing up with Tags? (Say just buy Standing) ..Brilliant Idea! ... not


Good thing on Odyssey:
No more T3 in DED 4/10 (haha . playground gone for your speedy uberships, eh?)

Hey, since the patch on the 25th , the DeD's and the Relic site in Deltole-Sinq Lasion region has been disappearing when its not suppose to, don't know where else to post it, pretty new to forum stuff, but just a heads up, please fix it

Confirming that three weeks later, all the issues I outlined here are still a problem:

1. The jump animation - still gives me migraines if I actaully watch it, still makes me nauseated on trips with more than a couple of jumps. This needs to go (or at least be optional); not next week, not a couple of months from now as you work on ways to "improve" the animation, it needs to be gone NOW. The camera swing is a part of it, but the sudden switch to first person view with lack of a fixed focal point (ship), and the animation itself all contribute to the problem, and only addressing part of the issue is not a solution. For more details, I'd refer you to my post here, and that thread in general.

1a. The old gate flash effect is still a much missed iconic part of EVE.

2. The undock button - rather then getting used to this, the repositioning of this button has only gotten more annoying. I used to be able to undock and navigate a route through systems without ever having to leave the map screen. Now, this is no longer possible, all because the undock button is missing from the neocom. Put it back.

2a. The undock animation is still too subtle and unmeasureable - it is impossible to tell how much time you have during which you can still abort the sequence.

3. The scanner button opening a radial menu is still a redundant and annoying waste of time, and it is counterintuitive to have this as the only UI button with its own unique behavior.

3a. Radial menus in general are still annoying as they eyes have to search in multiple directions at once to find the desired button. There still needs to be the option to completely disable radial menus (and no, remapping to a different mouse key does not count - I use my mouse keys!).

4. Autoscanning on every jump/undock is still annoying, distracting, and interferes with locating and clicking on actual useful objects in space (stations, celestials, other ships, etc.). There is absolutely no need for this to be automatic and always on; anyone who wants to explore can activate it when needed, and that way it does not become a constant annoyance to everyone else when it is unwanted. Additionally, I am still of the opinion that scanning needs to require player interaction, and as such, it needs to be moved back to a manually controlled event. The autoscan is just cheap, distracting, and annoying (have I used the word "annoying" enough? There really is no better way to put it).

5. Red flash and noises when taking damage - still redundant, distracting, and annoying (those seem to be the three key words for this expansion, don't they?).

6. Targeted ships flashing before disappearing - this still creates unneccesary dealy and causes problems in quickly acquiring new targets.

7. Right click menu on ship in hangar - ok, this one was fixed, I'll give you that. I'm glad to see this was a bug rather than a "feature."

8. Camera autofocus on selected items - again, it's good that this can be turned off, but it should be off by default, and needs to stay off once it has been put there. It's still dizzying and disorienting, and contributes to the motion problems others are experiencing.

And of course, not Odyssey related, but the jukebox is still missing - just saying.

Camera zoom is way out of control. There seems to be no consistency that I can adapt to.

In an attempt to get a consistent zoom distance, I tried setting zoom :
1) at sub warp speed - works sometimes.
2) while at warp - this doen't work
3) while invisible ater a jump - no fix here
4) many other random attempts to get a consistent zoom

Why can't you allow the user to set a zoom distance and store that value as the default? Since max zoom in shows even the rivets in high detail, let's say 5%, so all ships display at 5% of whatever their max zoom is. Or, if you like looking at the rivets, set it to 100%. Between those two extremes, most people will find the zoom they like.

Also, this would let you zoom to a user set value after a camera reset.

Right now, I can count on resetting zoom after every jump or undock. Other people have found a great word for this kind of issue : ANNOYING !!!

My feedback:

CCP should post more in this thread so we know it's more than a dumping ground they never read.

Ther is not mutch i like about the odyssey expansion.it seams to me that they did as mutch wrong as ther was about possibel to do.they wanted miners and manufacuring to incrise in low sec added more ore and made a neew grate tool to gank them.and you also stated that more risk more profit was 1 of the mine feature whid odyssey so whay dont yoy fixs whats wrong in the game all redy like a distrebution mission lvl 2 that send you 3 jumps in to low-sec for 140 LP.the whole expansion make me wonder howe the dewelopers in ccp play this game.are they all playing as gankers.exploration what exploration !!!.they ad som matrials needed for production to just som part of the space so only the biggest alliance will gett accses to when they winn the war ower it and whid time they will only growe stronger .and next to impossible to challeng !.Odyssey=nerfing smal corporations that is a huge amount of players but ccp dont seem to care about that

When you own the football and make the rules you have two options available to you if you do not like what's being said about your game, grab your football and go home, or just simply ignore the other players and carry on regardless dreaming up bigger and better ways to make the point that it is you that holds all the cards.

CCP exhibits all these traits and over time they have begun to exhibit all the hallmarks of becoming divorced from the reality of EVE as they strive to follow another agenda dictated by, as they put it, changing priorities, leave you to work out what those are.

One of the selling points of EVE in years past was it's complexity but in the past three years CCP appear to be driven to remove this aspect from the game, maybe it's roots can be found in the caliber of the Dev's themselves, brought up on a steady diet of Play Station Dross as they obviously were, an environment that requires instant gratification and little considered thought process to achieve the only goal available, that of game completion, something that EVE does not have as you can never complete EVE.

As a result there is a considerable conflict of interests at work here which has resulted in some of the 'Features' now introduced into EVE, Mini Games, loot spews, scanning dressed up as exploration, permanent system scans, all dumbed down instant results aspects of EVE that have in my view added to the general and overall down turn of EVE to the level of Console games.

The questions I ask myself is were will they draw the line under this, are they intent on making EVE into a console game because that's all they have ever known they are happy to destroy the essence of the game utterly as a result without ever understanding why people play EVE at all.

I am not saying that certain aspects of EVE could not do with work, general maintenance and adjustment was at one time something we came to expect, but so much of the game has been left unfinished in favor of flashy gimmicks and unneeded changes rather than the development of existing aspects, a bit like channel flicking I guess or worse still 'Level Playing'.

CCP:

Overall I think you have done a good job with this expansions, some of the features I do like and while I did experience a few bugs with the original patch the subsequent patches after appear to have addressed these or at least the ones I was getting. Things I like about the expansion:

Changes to the scanning
The addition of the Personal Hanger Array
Gate transitions
New Navy Battle Cruisers
On a whole I think the ship balancing was done will, I was very pleased you didn’t go down the same route with the Navy Armageddon as you did with the standard T1 version
New Apocalypse
Radial menu
Additional strategic text (Approaching etc)

I do however feel that some more work need done on some areas:

The worm transition are pretty weak in comparison to the gate transitions.

Same with the exit station transitions, these could be improved but the main thing I think is that it’s not obvious enough that you are undocking. Maybe make the flashing lights a little more obvious, I know the undock button/arrows is kind of a load bar but this could be looked at to be more obvious. Main reason I say this other than from my own perspective it that I was around my friend’s house who is a new player and I seen him double click on the undock button because it didn’t seem to do anything when he clicked on it once but obviously clicking the second time cancels the undock, so he was a bit unsure what he was doing wrong and could not undock!

Another thing is the hacking game, while it is quite cool on its own it does take a bit longer to do in my experience and the fact that it spits all the items out does make it less worthwhile doing when in a worm hole, some of the sites have quite a few things to hack and I am finding that there is A: too many of them and B they are too far away from each other to make the extra effort worthwhile. To address this you could look at reducing the amount of things there is to hack per site and reduce the distance between them. You almost have to bring an alt along to make it worthwhile which is going to put new players off and even with an alt I find it a nightmare to get them all, overall I’m getting less patient with it and starting to not even bother doing the hacking and just moving on to the next site/worm hole because the extra time hacking is reducing isk per hour.

Now that you have added the Personal Hanger Array I am finding some of the other tower structures rather limited, take the Ship Maintenance Array, you still need to be within 3000m to chance ship or use the fitting service, would it do any harm to extend this to 10000m or even more?

I’m sure there are other things I wanted to mention but I have wrote enough already so that will do for the now :)

Cheers

The silence you hear is them ignoring you (and the rest of us). They've read the complaints and have dismissed them. Now they choose not to acknowledge complaints they don't like.

Basically, we're wasting our time.