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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#61 - 2013-06-27 14:50:12 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?



I've read about your gaming in here and admire your efforts from what I have read.

Why you would support PLEX I can not understand, as it is completely counter to the values of gaming in every sense.

Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!

Take away the plex and you'll be left only with REAL GAMERS!



Real casual gamers you mean



I think your XboX is getting lonely without you

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#62 - 2013-06-27 14:52:00 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it.

CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now.

Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it).


New Word, WoWhore.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#63 - 2013-06-27 14:57:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it.

CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now.

Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it).


New Word, WoWhore.



Isnt EvE cheaper than 14.95 (Colony Bills) (I dont know what that is in Imperial Money)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#64 - 2013-06-27 15:03:39 UTC
The Op post is a troll.....it MUST be Shocked

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#65 - 2013-06-27 15:07:33 UTC
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. A game is P2W if you can buy overpowered stuff for money which is not achievable by normal gameplay. You can actually get all ships and stuff in the game on the market for ISK. So there is no P2W. Ask Hilmar about "gold Ammo". No such thing.

If you think people who sell 20 PLEX to buy some shiny ships are "better" you need to play more. Those P2W guys you are talking about are most of the times the ones that get blown up in Level 4 missions flying officer fitted loot pinatas.

Also you do not need to "grind" in EVE. You can easily earn 3-4 Plex per day if you have the know-how and a little luck. You also do not become "a hero" in EVE thanks to Money/PLEX or buying a char..who told you this ****?

There is also no F2P in EVE as every PLEX is originally bought for real money....

Dear god this thread is so bad i don`t even...Ugh

On a side note i play for almost 8 years now with breaks in between but i always pay my subs with CC. Now what?

Also you realize all that PLEX money would just end up in some chinese RMT ISK store and the money would be lost to CCP forever while thanks to PLEX it stays with EVE and supports it.

Must stop now...can`t take anmyorgghlhgllglorrk.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#66 - 2013-06-27 15:09:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Isnt EvE cheaper than 14.95 (Colony Bills) (I dont know what that is in Imperial Money)

Sub in the UK is £10 which is equivalent to $15.28

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-06-27 15:20:05 UTC
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.


People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#68 - 2013-06-27 15:54:17 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.


People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.


Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue.

Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with.
brinelan
#69 - 2013-06-27 15:56:04 UTC
Elliavir wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


PLEX was a brilliant idea by CCP. It means they can avoid crappy F2P mechanics that doesn't suit a game like EVE and keep the subscription model while fighting RMT at the same time. If you have a better idea than PLEX, please enlighten us.



I second the "PLEX was a brilliant idea" comment. And I subscribe.

It adds so much flexibility to the game - that's a whole different thread though (101 Uses for PLEX!). One of the most underappreciated things about it is, I think, that it provides a steady currency sink in addition to the game mechanics of ship loss and consumables and such. Every PLEX sold for ISK is that many ISK gone forever once that PLEX is used. It's another balance against the endless in-game ISK-printing machines. Keeping the currency inflow and outflow somewhat on par with each other keeps this economy from spinning into WoW levels of hyperinflation. Which has the added benefit of CCP not having to add in new currencies every patch.


How exactly does plex take money out of the economy? When you buy a plex the money goes to the seller so it just moves money around except for the pittance paid in broker fees for that order.
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#70 - 2013-06-27 16:17:15 UTC
brinelan wrote:
Elliavir wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


PLEX was a brilliant idea by CCP. It means they can avoid crappy F2P mechanics that doesn't suit a game like EVE and keep the subscription model while fighting RMT at the same time. If you have a better idea than PLEX, please enlighten us.



I second the "PLEX was a brilliant idea" comment. And I subscribe.

It adds so much flexibility to the game - that's a whole different thread though (101 Uses for PLEX!). One of the most underappreciated things about it is, I think, that it provides a steady currency sink in addition to the game mechanics of ship loss and consumables and such. Every PLEX sold for ISK is that many ISK gone forever once that PLEX is used. It's another balance against the endless in-game ISK-printing machines. Keeping the currency inflow and outflow somewhat on par with each other keeps this economy from spinning into WoW levels of hyperinflation. Which has the added benefit of CCP not having to add in new currencies every patch.


How exactly does plex take money out of the economy? When you buy a plex the money goes to the seller so it just moves money around except for the pittance paid in broker fees for that order.


If you convert the PLEX to game time the PLEX is gone and you are about 500 mill poorer. With the PLEX destroyed/converted its money value is removed from the economy and cannot be resold etc.
KracKstar
Tech Builds
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-06-27 16:21:01 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.




NO
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#72 - 2013-06-27 16:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Abon wrote:
If you convert the PLEX to game time the PLEX is gone and you are about 500 mill poorer. With the PLEX destroyed/converted its money value is removed from the economy and cannot be resold etc.
…except that no conversion happens, and no money is removed.

Aside from sales taxes, PLEX are pretty much completely economy-neutral.
They enter the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK or items. They pass through the economy while sinking a couple of ISK through tax. And then they exit the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK and items.


Btw, I was facepalming so hard that I couldn't get my hand unstuck until this last page. Has anyone pointed out to the OP that both his premises are completely inaccurate yet?
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#73 - 2013-06-27 16:28:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Abon wrote:
If you convert the PLEX to game time the PLEX is gone and you are about 500 mill poorer. With the PLEX destroyed/converted its money value is removed from the economy and cannot be resold etc.
…except that no conversion happens, and no money is removed.

Aside from sales taxes, PLEX are pretty much completely economy-neutral.
They enter the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK or items. They pass through the economy while generating a couple of tax sinking. And then they exit the economy without any expenditure or addition of ISK and items.


Oh **** well i forgot how it enters the market...Big smile Scrap my response then!
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-06-27 16:34:15 UTC
Abon wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.


People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.


Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue.

Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with.



Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.

It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing.

So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-06-27 16:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldari Citizen 20120308
Sometimes I do Get tired of reading through these forums about risk v reward when a vast majority play for free. What risk do they have other than wanting to pad their killboard stats? none - -

In regards to pay to win: Remove faction mods and make t2 the most op items because shouldn't it be based on time invested.

Just giving a perspective from both sides of the aisle :)
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-06-27 16:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W. A game is P2W if you can buy overpowered stuff for money which is not achievable by normal gameplay. You can actually get all ships and stuff in the game on the market for ISK. So there is no P2W. Ask Hilmar about "gold Ammo". No such thing.

If you think people who sell 20 PLEX to buy some shiny ships are "better" you need to play more. Those P2W guys you are talking about are most of the times the ones that get blown up in Level 4 missions flying officer fitted loot pinatas.

Also you do not need to "grind" in EVE. You can easily earn 3-4 Plex per day if you have the know-how and a little luck. You also do not become "a hero" in EVE thanks to Money/PLEX or buying a char..who told you this ****?

There is also no F2P in EVE as every PLEX is originally bought for real money....

Dear god this thread is so bad i don`t even...Ugh

On a side note i play for almost 8 years now with breaks in between but i always pay my subs with CC. Now what?

Also you realize all that PLEX money would just end up in some chinese RMT ISK store and the money would be lost to CCP forever while thanks to PLEX it stays with EVE and supports it.

Must stop now...can`t take anmyorgghlhgllglorrk.




Dude, you are taking CRAZY pills.....

Answer me this?

I CAN BUY GEAR...
1) Can I use REAL Money to BUY PLEX to Sell in game to buy a better ship then what you had or have earned? Ships in this game are like GEAR in others. Players have to do missions to get GEAR in almost ALL other games, these missions are sometimes a grind, but they are performed by the player and are therefore EARNED in game. Earning a ship (GEAR) in game is fine.... buying it with REAL Money is PAY TO WIN..... if you think otherwise you are just fooling yourself...

I CAN BUY SKILLS
2) Can you BUY with REAL MONEY a Character to that has better skills then the one I took the time to skill on my own.... Why, YES you can... and this somehow isn't pay to win... you can with enough money buy a 156m sp toon..... CRAZY PILLS again.

I CAN BUY ADVANTAGE
3) Can you Multi-Box is this game to have an advantage over other players? Why, YES you can..... So there is NO PVP in this game.... it's fake and all a cheat code.


ANSWER ME THIS SMART GUY......

1) What would happen if you REMOVED PLEX from this GAME?
2) Removed the ability to HAVE MULTIPLE Clients Open at the same time?

I think it would be a game then.... look up what a challenge is sometime and then look up what an EXPLOIT is?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-06-27 16:40:32 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.


People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.


Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue.

Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with.



Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.

It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing.

So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too).

multiboxing is P2W?



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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2013-06-27 16:41:00 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:

Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!


Where can I get PLEX for free?

Help, please.
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#79 - 2013-06-27 16:41:50 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.


People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.


Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue.

Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with.



Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.

It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing.

So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too).


Point is it would also be happening if there would be no PLEX. Do you think somebody who invests that kind of money into hardware to run 40+ clients cares about sub fees. I don`t think so. I multibox and i never use PLEX soo... Basically every MMO is P2W following that logic as stated by yourself.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2013-06-27 16:44:33 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.
Multiboxing is P2W in the same sense as being 5 players rather than 4 is P2W, i.e. not at all… and its being allowed and possible is completely unconnected to the existence of PLEX.